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Fosi Audio V3 Mono Amplifier Review

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    Votes: 13 1.8%
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Wait, so which studio did he prefer and get better results from?

-Ed
Not surprising you've missed the point completely. Mark spent a lot of money putting together a completely analogue studio. He was interviewed on the brilliant BBC radio show Late Night Junction by Verity Sharpe. He wished he had put this project together a lot earlier, it would have cost him a lot less. Now why do you think he built this studio 'after' the digital one - think about it?
 
Except with the monos you have 5A available for each channel. For the same power capability in a stereo amp 10A is needed.
But I don´t think that one TI-TPA3255 is capable of bringing 190 Watts at 4 Ohm. With the stereo V3 clean 140 Watt may be the limit. And 10A won´t push the power (by much).
 
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Not surprising you've missed the point completely. Mark spent a lot of money putting together a completely analogue studio. He was interviewed on the brilliant BBC radio show Late Night Junction by Verity Sharpe. He wished he had put this project together a lot earlier, it would have cost him a lot less. Now why do you think he built this studio 'after' the digital one - think about it?
I don’t make assumptions. Are you suggesting that he had to because of disappointment with the digital one? I can’t make that assumption. For all I know, he ended up doing it after the fact because he felt the need to do the actual comparison itself. Hence why I ask the question. By the way, I think you might be under the assumption that I’m one of these people around here that look at numbers instead of listening with my ears—you would be wrong. I’m generally on your side here, so please watch your friendly fire. Being aggressively defensive will take us all down together in a forum called Audio SCIENCE Review.

-Ed
 
Why would anyone trust a musician who was touring from way before we implemented hearing protection?
Also just because you’re a genius at your instrument doesn’t necessarily mean that you know anything about the science of sound.
I personally wouldn’t trust a gardener’s insight on biology just because he’s been cutting grass the past 5 decades.
 
Ultimately didn't sound any different to my Yamaha so they're back in the box ready to be returned tomorrow.
It's been a fun ride.
So you bought two well engineered amps expecting to hear a difference?
And you are returning the fosi because you don't hear a difference with your good yamaha amp?
Forgive me but it seems like a stupid thing to do.... What did you think was going to happen?
 
So you bought two well engineered amps expecting to hear a difference?

Forgive me but it seems like a stupid thing to do.... What did you think was going to happen?
That’s not what happened. See this post. He already owned and had been using the Yamaha; he only bought the V3Ms because he thought his new Wiim streamer/pre-amp required a dedicated power amp.
 
But I don´t think that one TI-TPA3255 is capable of bringing 190 Watts at 4 Ohm. With the stereo V3 clean 140 Watt may be the limit. And 10A won´t push the power (by much).
Well, I can calm you down, with my RSP 200 48 I was continuously reaching a Vrms = 27.71V at 3.9Ohm when it comes to the network consumption of 220W. Here my power supply is the needle ear. Today a network of 600W is likely to be delivered to the house. The test circuit is prepared and I report what my TPA3255 can deliver to performance.

Here's another addition: The power supply drops the voltage from 48V to 44V, which corresponds to a possible output of 200W.
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Of course measurements are very important but to hear what 'sound' a piece of equipment is producing you have to actually listen. If you are thinking, then you are projecting ie. putting filters in front of the sound., why because thought can only operate in space-time, which of course is the past. To really hear music without filtering it you have to stop thinking and operate on input only. Sadly many cannot do that so they never really hear music. To describe others as delusional or 'influenced by price' is a defence system. To project onto others that you have never met or listened to a piece of music with is irrational.

Nobody can do that. Brains are prediction machines at their very core. We have no way of switching that off.
 
The 600W industrial power supply has arrived. The power from the socket is 250W European, and at 3.9 Ohm Vrms0 30V, which corresponds to a power of around 230W.
The conclusion is that this TPA3255 delivers what its manufacturer promises.
I personally doubt the desktop power supplies. From around 160W input power, the fan on the industrial power supply starts to turn on and makes a lot of noise. It is a Mean Well.
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So you bought two well engineered amps expecting to hear a difference?
And you are returning the fosi because you don't hear a difference with your good yamaha amp?
Forgive me but it seems like a stupid thing to do.... What did you think was going to happen?
Well if you'd bothered to read the thread then you'd have grasped it.
 
No, but then people listened to music instead of thinking about it, so a crap sound was easy to distinguish from good sounding equipment. There are a lot of people making negative psychological comments about 'others' who don't realise they are exposing their own irrational mentality.

Of course measurements are very important but to hear what 'sound' a piece of equipment is producing you have to actually listen. If you are thinking, then you are projecting ie. putting filters in front of the sound., why because thought can only operate in space-time, which of course is the past. To really hear music without filtering it you have to stop thinking and operate on input only. Sadly many cannot do that so they never really hear music. To describe others as delusional or 'influenced by price' is a defence system. To project onto others that you have never met or listened to a piece of music with is irrational.

Long ago I got really bored by true believers always using the hoary old excuse that hearing is influenced by price. I've heard very expensive gear that I and others thought sounded like crap. There are plenty that are impressed by bling, more fool them. I don't care what physical image a piece of gear has but I know there are plenty who will buy simply by how 'good' something looks.

All music equipment should be constructed with only two objectives - to maximise sound quality and longevity of use. The visual aspect should be of secondary importance.
That's fine, and like you I listen with my ears too, I don't blindly buy something because it measures well, but I'm not surprised that I like the sound of stuff that does. However, I've spent years on forums like what hifi when the most ridiculous claims are frequently made about equipment all based on a subjective opinion that is in many cases biased by the cost and investment in ownership, and this why the consumer audio industry is riddled with snake oil.
We use measurement data as a language to communicate details about something in a consistent and reliable manner. I was simply making the point that what "sounds shit" to you might not to me whereas 10% distortion does whoever you are.
 
But I don´t think that one TI-TPA3255 is capable of bringing 190 Watts at 4 Ohm. With the stereo V3 clean 140 Watt may be the limit. And 10A won´t push the power (by much).
TI Data sheet says it can do about 230W (1% THD), Fosi's table quoted above says 280W. The lower figure would need 7.5 amps for each channel into 4 ohm.
 
Note: Both 48VDC power supplies lead to a "hotter" amp (higher output voltage and power), reaching about 43°C or its equivalent in Fahrenheit in its idle state and about 50°C or 122°F during full use. Higher temperatures shorten the life expectancy of electrolytic capacitors and resistors.
srry for my stupid question...but I want to know if after the 10 mins. without signal it remains hot at around 43° or shuts down completely?
 
Very good post, chock full of ironic truth that many will miss or ignore (doesn't suit their belief system). In the 70s the Japanese made amps that measured perfectly but sounded like shite. It used to be heresy to have bass and treble adjustment, which completely ignores the fact that a lot of listening rooms are made of crap material - single plasterboard walls and ceilings (USA) or hard clay blocks (France,Spain, Italy,Portugal) finished with a hard plaster finish. Just loved the comment - and amazingly the equipment has got better when it was all 'perfect' before :D:D:D.

Re. phono stages - in 2010 I bought at half price because the whole financial system was at the point of meltdown an MC3 Talk Electronics two box phono stage. Adjustable loading and gain via two banks, one for each channel so the jumpers should mirror each other, a warp filter and true mono replay. Not unusual in good phono stages, it caters for virtually all cartridges both MM and MC. So comments made about analogue and digital should be made with details of actual phono stages used. As Parks Audio Puffin and Waxwing are said to neither add or subtract from the analogue signal it should be interesting to do an A/B using one or both to see the digital outcome.
Thank you!
What interests me is when objective tests are born out by subjective (as well as vice versa) - so mutually reinforcing.

The thing about balance it would appear, is that being aware of it does not require you to AB test!

I've noticed a few people here using Schitt pre-amps with switched relays. I'm using a switched relay that I am finding surprisingly good from Ali Express - and I've just bought a Michael Fremer MM Pro - both claim to be very very closely toleranced left and right - and I've appreciated this with many recordings - in combination with the monos. Best thing is the two pre units match in physical width perfectly! :D

I sure would like M. Fremer or someone to bring out a switched relay with a balance shift - if something like this is possible... and yes ... maybe a few switch settings - little boost around 100hz for example ... or roll off for those 'modern' speakers that are tilted 'up' above 1 or 2khz.

It would appear (reference your comment about measurements in the 70s) that ASR has encouraged not only good manufacturer practice ... but measurement practice also (and general awareness). Gotta be a good thing. ;)
 
Thank you!
What interests me is when objective tests are born out by subjective (as well as vice versa) - so mutually reinforcing.

The thing about balance it would appear, is that being aware of it does not require you to AB test!

I've noticed a few people here using Schitt pre-amps with switched relays. I'm using a switched relay that I am finding surprisingly good from Ali Express - and I've just bought a Michael Fremer MM Pro - both claim to be very very closely toleranced left and right - and I've appreciated this with many recordings - in combination with the monos. Best thing is the two pre units match in physical width perfectly! :D

I sure would like M. Fremer or someone to bring out a switched relay with a balance shift - if something like this is possible... and yes ... maybe a few switch settings - little boost around 100hz for example ... or roll off for those 'modern' speakers that are tilted 'up' above 1 or 2khz.

It would appear (reference your comment about measurements in the 70s) that ASR has encouraged not only good manufacturer practice ... but measurement practice also (and general awareness). Gotta be a good thing. ;)
What is your source? If digital, a decent streamer will be able to do all the things you mentioned in the digital domain/in DSP, including balance control and parametric EQ. I do this with a HiBy R6 Pro II.

-Ed
 
What is your source? If digital, a decent streamer will be able to do all the things you mentioned in the digital domain/in DSP, including balance control and parametric EQ. I do this with a HiBy R6 Pro II.

-Ed
I just have a DAC - and the Michael Fremer MMPro now (it was an IFI Zen).

I have to say that tonally for me everything (my latest kit along with the Monos) is following the spirit of getting as close to the source as possible - or that is my impression. Variation between recordings has increased greatly - my sense of the recording itself - or the venue where there is one.
I'm really into my 'vintage' records. Many are simply astonishing, even when compared to 'top' modern recordings. A few could do with just a tweak down in the high frequencies sometimes. Right now I don't need any bass boost, but for low level listening it can be useful.

My context is mostly vinyl with regard to my small 'tweak suggestions' that are non-existent in modern pre-amps.

You have a Freya plus I know... . I'll share a small story. I was thinking of this amplifier myself, and I contacted Schitt and asked them if they had ever considered a balance control. And they replied why?!

But they do have an interesting "eq pre amp".

Still, I really like the Schitt Pre-amps - and I am pretty astonished by the switch relay I am using which surely must be similar in concept to yours.

I reckon they must be a great match for these V3 monos (and Fosi's cousin amps). I went for the MMPro over the Schitt Skoll because conceptually I just did not understand why you would want to roll off bass anywhere remotely close to the audible range to handle low bass issues that can crop up with vinyl. I'm a bit of a vinyl head ... though I love how many of my digital versions are sounding better these days (and even often better better) ;) :)
 
Long ago I got really bored by true believers always using the hoary old excuse that hearing is influenced by price. I've heard very expensive gear that I and others thought sounded like crap.
The marketing science that I know of behind this is old and the findings were that in blind tests, using wine or cigarettes, subjects with no other information other than price tended to prefer either the most or least expensive of three options, rarely choosing the mid-priced option. The cheapest was considered exceptional value. Subjects hardly ever stated that they all seemed the same even though the experiment actually used exactly the same wine or cigarettes for each of the three samples.

This sort of conversation comes up so often on this forum that I must see if I can find the original articles or any work done more recently.
 
That's fine, and like you I listen with my ears too, I don't blindly buy something because it measures well, but I'm not surprised that I like the sound of stuff that does.
I would just like to say, hand on heart, that I choose hifi gear because it measures well. I don’t have the time or inclination to cycle through gear looking for things I think I might prefer and I care little for brand reputation.

Give me hard data from a reliable source and I’m there.
 
Are You sure they would supply a 2nd (improved) filter at no further cost ?
You might have to pay for it... :)
I can't comment, I have no control over @Fosi Audio. All I can do is listen to my music and enjoy the two brick solutions I created for myself.
Monetary values are just another solution to more worldy problems (Wink emoji)
 
I would just like to say, hand on heart, that I choose hifi gear because it measures well. I don’t have the time or inclination to cycle through gear looking for things I think I might prefer and I care little for brand reputation.

Give me hard data from a reliable source and I’m there.
Sometimes that works, sometimes it doesn’t. The stellar numbers for KEF LS50 Meta are what drew me to them and I couldn’t possibly be happier with them (after pairing them with an SVS SB-3000 subwoofer), but at one point I tried an SMSL SA400 to drive them and I didn’t enjoy it one bit despite that amplifier’s stellar measurements. I’ve enjoyed all three Fosi amps that I’ve auditioned (V3, ZA3 in a pair, and V3 Monos), and even a Douk H7 (also TPA3255-based) much more than that SA400, so good measurements are only half of the equation.

-Ed
 
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