Exactly had the same issue with my 3700. Had to take it in to the LBS for repair, can't exactly remember what it was. I got an offer on a 4700 with the 'upgraded' HDMI board and 'degraded' DAC-board. I decided to take it and it has been playing faultlessly ever since. The 3700 later appeared online as 'refurbished' item without mentioning what had been refurbished. Also took time before it gradually deteriorated. Initially going into protection mode once a month until it wasn't possible to use it any longer.
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Denon AVR-X4700 AVR Review (Updated)
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A week ago I decided to open the amplifier to see if I can spot something wrong inside. Only thing I spotted was fair amount of dust, so I cleaned the insides thoroughly with compressed air. After that I performed factory/logic reset and setup the ampflier from the scratch. Ever since it has been working perfectly. I have been watching movies and playing music daily.
I really hope the issue is now gone, but I probably cursed it by writing this message.
I hope so too, but I think it will be back and not because of any curse obviously. The thing is, too much dust wouldn't likely cause a DC fault, but then again, anything is possible.
That was mean.
JKUixelas, I'm sending you my 2 finger Sicilian curse buster (the horns) and your Denon will now give you 20 years of trouble free operation.
I hope.
Good luck.That was mean.
Uixelas, I'm sending you my 2 finger Sicilian curse buster (the horns) and your Denon will now give you 20 years of trouble free operation.
I hope.
Hahaha, thanks man. I will report back if the device is cursed or not. Time will tell.
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Would it still be worth getting this Denon 4700 (1500€) on account of the better measurements than the 3800 (1000€) and 4800 (1500€)?
Or is the surround technology changing so fast that this model has been rendered obsolete?
In my case it would be used for music, the source being Spotify and cd's (so I would use an upmixing option)
Thank you very much for reading
Or is the surround technology changing so fast that this model has been rendered obsolete?
In my case it would be used for music, the source being Spotify and cd's (so I would use an upmixing option)
Thank you very much for reading
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Thanks
If your looking at the excellent SINAD numbers obtained from the early 4700H builds (pre AKM factory fire), if you can find one
it would be a nice choice but they actually are fairly rare and hard to find. The fire made the measured DAC's unobtainable later on and most were
built with the same DAC's in the current 4800.
That said, it's highly debateable if the difference between the two DAC's is audible.
I have the later 4700H that doesn't measure as well as the one shown here but sounds just fine to me.
I don't believe you have to worry about getting a bad sounding 4700H period.
But then I may have a Tin instead of Golden ear.
Good luck.
Assuming room correction is to be used:
Audessey nexus has major advantages when used with the x800 generation amps that are arguably beyond the capability of DIRAC art for free at this point.
If you are not using room correction, and only need 2 subs, (not my recommendation since Nexus/Evo released even for stereo), the pre 70k serial no 4700 measures slightly better than all 4xxx models currently available.
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My criteria (rather than sinad) is how they perform upmixing stereo recordings.If your looking at the excellent SINAD numbers obtained from the early 4700H builds (pre AKM factory fire), if you can find one
it would be a nice choice but they actually are fairly rare and hard to find. The fire made the measured DAC's unobtainable later on and most were
built with the same DAC's in the current 4800.
That said, it's highly debateable if the difference between the two DAC's is audible.
I have the later 4700H that doesn't measure as well as the one shown here but sounds just fine to me.
I don't believe you have to worry about getting a bad sounding 4700H period.
But then I may have a Tin instead of Golden ear.
Good luck.
I have tin ears myself
, no need for me to invest money on a couple db's difference
That's a great position.My criteria (rather than sinad) is how they perform upmixing stereo recordings.
I have tin ears myself
The basic 3 upmixers, (Dolby Surround, DTS-X and Auro 3D offer good options and included a number of
configuration options in the menus. There's a lot of room for personal preference there when choosing which one to use.
To me the preferred one can vary with the album being upmixed.
I'm very pleased with my 4700, it offers everything I could ask for at this point and I've been doing this for decades.
Good Luck!
Sal
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Just one last question: How flexibel is this technology with the number of channels you use? In my case I would rather have as few cables as possible in my living roim and I am not a fan of subwoofers, so could I try sth like a 6.0 setup? Or does the immersive effect only work when one goes for standard speaker distribution like 5.1, 7.2 etc?That's a great position.
The basic 3 upmixers, (Dolby Surround, DTS-X and Auro 3D offer good options and included a number of
configuration options in the menus. There's a lot of room for personal preference there when choosing which one to use.
To me the preferred one can vary with the album being upmixed.
I'm very pleased with my 4700, it offers everything I could ask for at this point and I've been doing this for decades.
Good Luck!
Sal
PS: I want to use it for music
Normally the AVR's are very flexible with speaker configurations and most anything is available to you.
That said, when the artists and/or production team work to create a true multich recording experience, they do have a particular speaker
number and placement and playback codec in mind. To listen to optimum effect, certain details should be kept in mind.
Well, this didn’t fix the problem in the long term. After about a month, it went into protection mode again. The AVR-X4800 was on sale, so I decided to upgrade my amplifier.
I actually sold my 4700 at a low price to someone willing to try fixing it. Unlike the previous owner, I fully disclosed all the issues with the amplifier.
Hello everyone!
I just got my X4700H and I was wondering if my s/n DBCT05200... is a pre 70k serial? The model is AVC-X4700H, the European version.
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Anybody able to help me with the following:
(HEOS related issue on my X4700h, but can't find a HEOS specific thread)
I currently have issues streaming 96 kHz / 24bit music through HEOS (Tidal Connect)
The music starts playing normally, but after about 3 minutes into a song I get the following error: ''Unable to stream from Tidal. Please try again later. ''
I've tried other streams, but it only seems to happen with the specific 96 kHz / 24bit files.
I connected the AVR through Wifi and through cable, but issue persist.
I tried resetting my router, to no avail.
HEOS app is up to date.
AVR is up to date.
Can't really think of anything else to try.
The AVR had been turned off and unplugged for 3 weeks during my holiday which I just returned from.
Before that the issue was not present. I was leaning towards a networking issue because I remember seeing my smart-hub being turned off during my trip, so I assume the router received an update somewhere sometime. But it doesn't make sense to me why it plays all the files up to a certain point and then throws me the error.
- LunaTempesta
(HEOS related issue on my X4700h, but can't find a HEOS specific thread)
I currently have issues streaming 96 kHz / 24bit music through HEOS (Tidal Connect)
The music starts playing normally, but after about 3 minutes into a song I get the following error: ''Unable to stream from Tidal. Please try again later. ''
I've tried other streams, but it only seems to happen with the specific 96 kHz / 24bit files.
I connected the AVR through Wifi and through cable, but issue persist.
I tried resetting my router, to no avail.
HEOS app is up to date.
AVR is up to date.
Can't really think of anything else to try.
The AVR had been turned off and unplugged for 3 weeks during my holiday which I just returned from.
Before that the issue was not present. I was leaning towards a networking issue because I remember seeing my smart-hub being turned off during my trip, so I assume the router received an update somewhere sometime. But it doesn't make sense to me why it plays all the files up to a certain point and then throws me the error.
- LunaTempesta
HEOS is dicey and Tidal connect is another possible clog in the wheel. Do you have a computer that you can verify UPnP is working to the Denon 4700? Or does a Wiim mini work? I would try to get back to the lowest common denominator of what does work. That will help you troubleshoot.
LunaTempesta
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LunaTempesta
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Reinstalling the app didn't help.
Resetting the AVR didn't help.
I've also noticed it is currently not limited to 96khz playback files, noticed the same behaviour of random cut off tracks with 44khz 24 bit files as well. So the problem might be with the 24 bit quality in general.
Is anybody able to replicate the same issue with playback in either heos or tidal connect?
Seeing as a bunch of my favorite albums seem to share the 24bit quality I'm getting slightly frustrated. Heos has always been rather finicky with streaming :v
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Tested it on a family members x6700h and the same issue happens here. So it doesn't seem limited to my unit.
Resetting the AVR didn't help.
I've also noticed it is currently not limited to 96khz playback files, noticed the same behaviour of random cut off tracks with 44khz 24 bit files as well. So the problem might be with the 24 bit quality in general.
Is anybody able to replicate the same issue with playback in either heos or tidal connect?
Seeing as a bunch of my favorite albums seem to share the 24bit quality I'm getting slightly frustrated. Heos has always been rather finicky with streaming :v
*edit*
Tested it on a family members x6700h and the same issue happens here. So it doesn't seem limited to my unit.
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