Good point. Don't want doctors indoctrinated with tolerance and compassion do we?
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Good point. Don't want doctors indoctrinated with tolerance and compassion do we?
I just watched his video. He made his own measurements which are limited in bass response.
Trusting what he has, the stock response does have issues. His crossover fix does improve things a lot but, and this is what he doesn't say, it comes at a cost of 4 dB or so in sensitivity. JBL folks are all about dynamic range so likely they opted to have more sensitivity than more accuracy. If you are ready to throw away 4 dB of sensitivity, you can easily flatten that response with EQ without spending a cent on his mod. Actually you may be able to do do better than that.
Here is the response (top is before):
He also talks about stock impedance being around 2.5 ohm. And that it is around 4 something after, saying that this is easier to drive. Well, not if you just took our 4 dB of sensitivity out of the speaker!
As have mentioned before, Danny's upgrade videos are hype to generate youtube hits and are pseudoscience. Would not put much faith in any of it. He manipulates scaling to create his typical narrative of how bad the target speaker is and how it needs his upgrading. I could go on at length but let's just start with the initial failure to baseline against known measurements. For this speaker, JBL supplies much more data than most manufacturers AND states the conditions. Does Danny use it? No, and he flails around guessing at a measurement axis when it is stated in the specs....
"The reference measurement microphone position is located perpendicular to the center line of the mid and high frequency transducers, at the point 55 mm (2.2 in) below the center of the tweeter diaphragm"
After this wasted time, he does his usual misleading measurements and here is the initial result compared to JBL's...
Here I have plotted on a standard 50 dB scale (rather than Danny's usual 25 dB scale). I have adjusted his plot to overlay the JBL supplied data. At this point. does Danny question measurement conditions or whether the speaker might be broken? No, it is just poorly designed and needs his upgrade kit! So, rather than try some eq, let's rip out the drivers and design a whole new crossover! 
Even when the speaker measures well, he is often replacing parts for the sake of alleged "next level performance". Strange he provides measurements as a weapon but supplies none for some of his alleged improvements. He recently did another No-Rez promo video and there is not a single spec or measurement to illustrate its applicability or effectiveness.
Anyway, seems you already figured out the bottom line with regard to Danny. Hope you get to enjoy the long holiday weekend!
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Who cares? All that matters to me is my NX OTICAS out perform any speakers I ever owned, no eq used either. So Danny is a legit speaker designer in my book.Add that he only measured the woofer from 200 Hz and above!
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Couldn’t be worse.I totally agree. Doctors, lawyers and engineers are usually hard to deal with. Of course not ALL of them, just most of them. Doctors and lawyers know it all and our obviously (in their mind) always the smartest person in the room. Engineers are over the top technical. Generally poor teachers and jump into details that any non-audio person does not understand. But there is hope! Off on the horizon you see a guy mounted on a white horse trotting your way. He seems ten feet tall in the saddle. Once he arrives it is our own famous Amir. He is here to teach non-audio, non-engineers the basics, so they can at the very least make some value judgements and dodge the snake oil. So as I always say there are two types on ASR, the hardcore engineers (who argue with each other) and are fun to read, then the others are regular non-engineer people who just want to make wiser decisions and learn. So, in reality you can learn A LOT on ASR. All the way into high tech engineering if you want to get into it. Long live ASR! Amir for President! Oh wait, I might have gotten carried away.
I resemble that remark, as a 'product guy' on Wall Street. On the other hand, I have to deal with salespeople who never want me to mention tradeoffs and occasionally clients or managers who want the same results achieved by different methods (or with no tradeoffs...see salespeople). There are some things in finance that are as obvious as the nose on your face, yet whole bureaucracies geared up to support ignoring them.I totally agree. Doctors, lawyers and engineers are usually hard to deal with. Of course not ALL of them, just most of them. Doctors and lawyers know it all and our obviously (in their mind) always the smartest person in the room. Engineers are over the top technical. Generally poor teachers and jump into details that any non-audio person does not understand. But there is hope! Off on the horizon you see a guy mounted on a white horse trotting your way. He seems ten feet tall in the saddle. Once he arrives it is our own famous Amir. He is here to teach non-audio, non-engineers the basics, so they can at the very least make some value judgements and dodge the snake oil. So as I always say there are two types on ASR, the hardcore engineers (who argue with each other) and are fun to read, then the others are regular non-engineer people who just want to make wiser decisions and learn. So, in reality you can learn A LOT on ASR. All the way into high tech engineering if you want to get into it. Long live ASR! Amir for President! Oh wait, I might have gotten carried away.
At least @Petronius or owners of the LSR 6332.
I enjoy many speakers but whether they are solidly designed can be another matter.
So am fine if you like your NX Oticas. Otoh, if you want to convince me (or other ASR members), would be interested to see you start your own thread and show us how well designed they are.
I can’t help with that but if you really want to learn anything about the design, I bet Danny could help, also you could probably visit his business, he has these and a few other models setup to listen to.
I just can’t understand all the negativity towards the company, if he has mostly satisfied customers he’s not ripping people off as far as I’m concerned. Though that’s what it seems all the GR Research threads here are getting at, no?
He sells snake oil sometimes. Those connectors for $50 for 4, some of the speaker MODs that he does apparently are not with a good result. That wire he sells is snake oil.
So how’s that affect you or this forum? Everyone in the hobby knows that ASR rejects this kinda stuff. Have you ever looked at prices for high end connectors? Though $50 isn’t cheap for four connectors, you could waste a lot more.
ASR is a science based approach. ASR (@amirm) tests gear and provides standardized proof of test metering. ASR supports science based businesses that provide proof of quality of product. He does not. ASR is anti-snake-oil so he is a disliked and we advise people to buy new stuff and not MOD old speakers.
If am going to spend my time and money to learn more about speaker design, would go to an AES conference.
Danny uses old equipment and outdated design practices. I (and many other designers/hobbyists) far exceed what Danny does in both driver technology and speaker design. If you have not seen, go look at the Directiva r1 build thread or Ascend Acoustics posted measurements. Please compare the design content in there to GR's content. Danny may be a good talker, but his design content is piss poor.
Am confused as well as Danny has attacked Amir, ridiculed ASR members and continues to regularly ridicule other speaker designs and designers. Yet somehow, he should be excused from objective scrutiny. Show me anyone else that is claiming to be a SOTA speaker designer and does not measure below 200 Hz. Contemporary standards and tools explain how to measure bass usefully in non-anechoic conditions. Danny could step up his game, but only offers lame excuses for his lack of effort.
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Is that right? How about this?
GR Research B24 AC Cord Review
This is a review, listening tests and measurements of the GR Research B24 AC cable. I purchased it from the company direct. It costs US $349 in the 4 foot section I purchased. As the British saying goes, the B24 "looks the part" with the thick cabling and such. But fails in actual construction...
www.audiosciencereview.com
Or this speaker: https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...research-lgk-2-0-speaker-review-a-joke.34783/
See the video versions as well: https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...c-cable-review-follow-up-entertainment.45452/
As to satisfied customers, you can say that about every audio product company. Doesn't mean they are selling products that are proper or performant.
Danny does some things right, and some things seriously wrong. As a consumer without the tools and knowledge we have, you could fall in either bucket randomly. And when you do, you can't rely on Danny telling you the truth. See this review:
He has done everything from blaming the user to my testing than to acknowledge straight design errors.
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My beef with Mr. Richie is that he trashes a product that has well documented performance measurements and then comes up with his own undocumented improvements. Very scientific.
All at the everyday low price of ______(fill in the blanks).
Regarding the NX speakers; I've never heard them and I'm glad that those who own them like them. Truly. but they are dipoles right? And that means comb filtering.
All at the everyday low price of ______(fill in the blanks).
Regarding the NX speakers; I've never heard them and I'm glad that those who own them like them. Truly. but they are dipoles right? And that means comb filtering.
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In his YouTube retort to Amir's power cable review Danny kept on referring to Amir as "the left."
Which I thought was odd and so I called him out in the comments. He responded:
"Ecclesiastes 10: 2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Sorta says a lot about the guy.
Which I thought was odd and so I called him out in the comments. He responded:
"Ecclesiastes 10: 2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Sorta says a lot about the guy.
Even if one isn’t technically inclined, just the tiniest fraction of critical thinking, and God forbid, less than 5 minutes of google-fu, should make is abundantly clear that this donkey’s business plan revolves around his appeal to authority, and reliance on customers buying into the “aww shucks everybody” uncle-Danny-schtick.
I don’t care for his ethics, and the gnawing feeling I get is he takes advantage of the power of confirmation-bias to foist his swap-meet looking speakers with infantile names on those with ballooning credit card bills, and little to no discretionary $. (Complete conjecture on my part, but after 48 trips around the sun, I’ve learned to trust my gut/BS-detector).
One last bit of vinegar- his frequent use of trite, meaningless, vacuous phrases like “game-changer,” “next-level,” and… “shocking.” O.k, I’ll admit those $4, 3” driver liquidation sale drivers, and the “Little Giant Killers,” are so shockingly obviously bad, that I no shit thought it was a joke, a prank. I was shocked to discover that they were real, let alone selling. And the $ he wants for them? Truly game-changing. Doesn’t take a whole lot of wet stuff between the ears to realize the limitations inherent in that “design.” My German Shepherds could have done a better job whilst simultaneously fertilizing the garden
I don’t, as a rule post negatively things about people. However, when I see people like Danny blatantly taking advantage of those he knows don’t know any better, I feel the need to try and offset the sleaze factor, and hopefully shine a light on these modern day carpetbagging, snake-oil pushing characterless charlatans
It’s beyond me how anyone (especially his customers!!) can defend his practices and behavior? Perhaps an odd cousin of sunk-cost? I’ve stopped trying to understand it
One last thing. Amir, (and the a handful of others that contribute regularly) is hands down the best thing to happen to this hobby. Not hyperbole. These gentlemen represent a vast pool of knowledge, that they freely share. Years and years of practical experience and wisdom that is trustworthy, reliable, verifiable, and it’s so generously offered in such a beautifully humble manner. Ego just isn’t part of the ethos, and you dudes have my deepest respect for the character that is so apparent. Thank you guys, you know who you are
I don’t care for his ethics, and the gnawing feeling I get is he takes advantage of the power of confirmation-bias to foist his swap-meet looking speakers with infantile names on those with ballooning credit card bills, and little to no discretionary $. (Complete conjecture on my part, but after 48 trips around the sun, I’ve learned to trust my gut/BS-detector).
One last bit of vinegar- his frequent use of trite, meaningless, vacuous phrases like “game-changer,” “next-level,” and… “shocking.” O.k, I’ll admit those $4, 3” driver liquidation sale drivers, and the “Little Giant Killers,” are so shockingly obviously bad, that I no shit thought it was a joke, a prank. I was shocked to discover that they were real, let alone selling. And the $ he wants for them? Truly game-changing. Doesn’t take a whole lot of wet stuff between the ears to realize the limitations inherent in that “design.” My German Shepherds could have done a better job whilst simultaneously fertilizing the garden
I don’t, as a rule post negatively things about people. However, when I see people like Danny blatantly taking advantage of those he knows don’t know any better, I feel the need to try and offset the sleaze factor, and hopefully shine a light on these modern day carpetbagging, snake-oil pushing characterless charlatans
It’s beyond me how anyone (especially his customers!!) can defend his practices and behavior? Perhaps an odd cousin of sunk-cost? I’ve stopped trying to understand it
One last thing. Amir, (and the a handful of others that contribute regularly) is hands down the best thing to happen to this hobby. Not hyperbole. These gentlemen represent a vast pool of knowledge, that they freely share. Years and years of practical experience and wisdom that is trustworthy, reliable, verifiable, and it’s so generously offered in such a beautifully humble manner. Ego just isn’t part of the ethos, and you dudes have my deepest respect for the character that is so apparent. Thank you guys, you know who you are
How the fuck does this donkey sleep at night? I really ned to stop trying to understand how his mind works, doing so creates a fleeting malignancy in my soul. I really am flummoxed that people don’t see him for what he is. It’s so patently obvious! (to me anyway)
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