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Danny Richie's latest...

Spkrdctr said:
In many trades, people think they are amazing and do a fantastic job when in reality they have been doing the same mistakes and mediocre job for 20 years.

The fact that a layperson is critiquing a professional labor is what caught my eye.. Thousands of people in my life offered opinions on heavy duty repairs. I believe it's called arm chair quarterbacks. I'm pretty good at it too. I also live in a small glass house. :-)

I find the same with Danny Ritchie. I remember some of his early repairs in regards to VMPS. It was a "hoot" to follow the threads.
He has grow up in the industry just like everyone else and is a part of it. He produces a product and is successful. He has modified a lot of speakers to sound different.
His repairs are at a price point. The reviews on his work are there for anyone to read. I knew/know several owners of GR speakers. I haven't heard all of them. I owned the 123s LS9s and still own 4 dual 12" OB subs. Bang for the buck, and quality, it's a good product.

I read the comments on the LGK 313.00 flat pack. I've never heard it, so I can't comment. The bookmark for a bookshelf speaker was an Infinity Infinitesimal. The first 2 versions. I still have both pairs. 1975 or so. I'm not a peanut speaker fan. But The little Infinity was "THE" standard for me. I have no clue how they measure.

OTOH GRs NX series, very nice sounding, nice looking and reasonable priced speakers. Couple them with GRs servos. Pretty dynamic system for any amount of money.
Have I HEARD better. NO!

I find GR a wonderful company to work with. I've never used any cables or connectors. Just cabinets, speakers and Rythmik plate amps. I use my own wire, connectors, dampening and decoupling devices.

Have any of the people commenting about GR owned their products? Have you worked with the GR staff and Danny? Are any of the people commenting
in competition with GR?

Do you need to Dyno tune your car or will a set of spark plugs work?

This site measures equipment objectively but the measure of other people is subjective.
With NO personal experience or interaction the measure is purely subjective. LOL I find that interesting.

When you have tools that do the job and the business reflect it's success by the use of those tools, why would you spend 100K or change anything?
The measure of success is success itself. Not another person's opinion. I was asked that often late in my career. YOU spend money on a new wrench
this one works just fine Kiddo.

I like Danny and I like the fact that he changes as he learns. I've never seen or read about an unhappy customer either.
I read personal remarks about him. That comes with success. That and 5 dollars will get you a cup of coffee too.

Regards
 
Spkrdctr said:
In many trades, people think they are amazing and do a fantastic job when in reality they have been doing the same mistakes and mediocre job for 20 years.

The fact that a layperson is critiquing a professional labor is what caught my eye.. Thousands of people in my life offered opinions on heavy duty repairs. I believe it's called arm chair quarterbacks. I'm pretty good at it too. I also live in a small glass house. :)

I find the same with Danny Ritchie. I remember some of his early repairs in regards to VMPS. It was a "hoot" to follow the threads.
He has grow up in the industry just like everyone else and is a part of it. He produces a product and is successful. He has modified a lot of speakers to sound different.
His repairs are at a price point. The reviews on his work are there for anyone to read. I knew/know several owners of GR speakers. I haven't heard all of them. I owned the 123s LS9s and still own 4 dual 12" OB subs. Bang for the buck, and quality, it's a good product.

I read the comments on the LGK 313.00 flat pack. I've never heard it, so I can't comment. The bookmark for a bookshelf speaker was an Infinity Infinitesimal. The first 2 versions. I still have both pairs. 1975 or so. I'm not a peanut speaker fan. But The little Infinity was "THE" standard for me. I have no clue how they measure.

OTOH GRs NX series, very nice sounding, nice looking and reasonable priced speakers. Couple them with GRs servos. Pretty dynamic system for any amount of money.
Have I HEARD better. NO!

I find GR a wonderful company to work with. I've never used any cables or connectors. Just cabinets, speakers and Rythmik plate amps. I use my own wire, connectors, dampening and decoupling devices.

Have any of the people commenting about GR owned their products? Have you worked with the GR staff and Danny? Are any of the people commenting
in competition with GR?

Do you need to Dyno tune your car or will a set of spark plugs work?

This site measures equipment objectively but the measure of other people is subjective.
With NO personal experience or interaction the measure is purely subjective. LOL I find that interesting.

When you have tools that do the job and the business reflect it's success by the use of those tools, why would you spend 100K or change anything?
The measure of success is success itself. Not another person's opinion. I was asked that often late in my career. YOU spend money on a new wrench
this one works just fine Kiddo.

I like Danny and I like the fact that he changes as he learns. I've never seen or read about an unhappy customer either.
I read personal remarks about him. That comes with success. That and 5 dollars will get you a cup of coffee too.

Regards
But Danny has done some good stuff, which is even highlighted here at ASR. For example:

Amir:
I am happy to recommend the GR Research DIY Kit (sans all the voodoo tweaks he offers).


Amir:
Overall, this is a job well done by GR Research and I am going to recommend it to owners if they are not inclined to use my software EQ fix.

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Bad stuff:
Bad= unnecessary expensive. Danny is not the first gold digger to try to make a fortune on unnecessary expensive cables, it should be added.


Bad. Or maybe they're not bad in themselves (that's what happens if you throw a mediocre 3" broadband elements, full range drivers into a couple of boxes) BUT it's the cost that so many react to!:oops:

Amir:
It comes in various forms from a kit ($313) to fully finished pair ($1,038).

(That Amir wrote "A Joke" is because Danny, before that review, had said that he thinks Amir a joke)

There are plenty of 3" full range drivers that you can throw into a couple of boxes.

Parts Express, 3 inch full range drivers. There are 51 pcs with prices from $4 to $150. Various manufacturers:


Edit:
I can say with almost 100% certainty that this classic 3" full range driver for $20 is better than what Danny uses in his LGK 2.0:


Tested here:

Considering the high technical performance and very low cost, the TC9FD18-08 is, in my opinion, just an incredible speaker!

 
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Have any of the people commenting about GR owned their products? Have you worked with the GR staff and Danny? Are any of the people commenting
in competition with GR?
I am not in competition with him. And answer is yes to rest. Make the slightest attempt to verify his claims and he becomes a different person full of personal insults. He sees fit to critique other speaker designers but you best not even breathe a word about his. Even a positive review of his products is not enough. He will come out fighting to discredit you just in case the future results are not good.

Praise the product of his that perform as I have. But please don't defend the man this way. He hasn't earned such privilege.
 
I stick to my post. I was also doing the stuff Danny does back when he was in diapers. Being old does not mean your good, it just means I have been around the block a few times. Not my first rodeo by a long shot. Time has passed him by. That is a factual statement that all of our engineers and other esteemed ASR members can easily attest too. I don't want to dig down into the dirt so my statements were easy to verify. The 3 inch full range speaker was and is junk. I have handled hundreds and can see from Amir's tests that it is pure junk. I will not listen to a lecture from someone trying to support snake oil and fraudulent marketing. I am off this topic and on to other more uplifting threads.
 
Danny makes a living by selling snake oil power cables / speaker cables and "tube connectors". Despite his spurious claims, these products don't do what he claims they do. I don't actually believe even he believes what he says.

He attacks others who question him but then completely backs down (under the guise of just "wanting to move on" and "we can all get along", because he has been found out / rumbled, and its bad for his business). Because of that I would not believe a word he says or touch any of his products (one of which when reviewed by ASR was literally found to be dangerous).

I'm sure I saw something recently where he spoke about himself in the same context as Troels Gravesen or Linkwitz. Unbelievable.
 
I wonder if Danny read what the Consumer Electronics Association's Audio Systems Committee (CEA R3 Committee) published?

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Are there any examples of high profile subjectivist audiophiles who "saw the light" and issued a huge public mea culpa declaring all their past claims about speaker cables, etc. to be full of crap?

I don't think we're being realistic about human nature here in these dogpiles on Danny Richie.
 
Are there any examples of high profile subjectivist audiophiles who "saw the light" and issued a huge public mea culpa declaring all their past claims about speaker cables, etc. to be full of crap?

I don't think we're being realistic about human nature here in these dogpiles on Danny Richie.
None that I can recall. I imagine high profile subjectivisits stand to lose significantly by coming clean, so to speak.

"Er remember all those articles I wrote about chocolaty sounding cables, game changing dacs and veil lifting power cables, which I said you should spend a small fortune on, yeah well sorry about that but.."

I do appreciate it must be difficult for them to acknowledge they have been duped. They've put their names to countless articles / reviews of certain products over the years, back tracking would make them a bit of a laughing stock. They're in to deep now.

They would most likely take a financial battering also.
 
Are there any examples of high profile subjectivist audiophiles who "saw the light" and issued a huge public mea culpa declaring all their past claims about speaker cables, etc. to be full of crap?

I don't think we're being realistic about human nature here in these dogpiles on Danny Richie.
the society is subjectivist

Georges Lemaître, Stephen Jay Gould and Albert Einstein were believers and yet their work showed them the ineptitude of their belief

 
Colleagues, I have for a long time lusted after the JBL LSR6332 as a replacement for my my JBL 4410 speakers. as such I I occasionally stumble on to a review or test of the LSR 32/6332. I did find a review of them by Danny Richie on the GR Research site.

I was surprised and stunned by Mr. Richie's negative review of this speaker. Where did he get that response curve ? did he hang a Navajo blanket between the speaker and an EV67 mic? He called the speaker a "mess" implying that it was high priced junk.
With the exception of Mr. Richie, I have not seen any negative reviews of this speaker by any reviewer, including those by our British Colleagues across the pond. If Mr. Richie wants to hate JBL for any reason, that is his perogative.
Whatever veracity he has had with me is now gone forever.
 
I was surprised and stunned by Mr. Richie's negative review of this speaker. Where did he get that response curve ?
I just watched his video. He made his own measurements which are limited in bass response.

Trusting what he has, the stock response does have issues. His crossover fix does improve things a lot but, and this is what he doesn't say, it comes at a cost of 4 dB or so in sensitivity. JBL folks are all about dynamic range so likely they opted to have more sensitivity than more accuracy. If you are ready to throw away 4 dB of sensitivity, you can easily flatten that response with EQ without spending a cent on his mod. Actually you may be able to do do better than that.
 
He also talks about stock impedance being around 2.5 ohm. And that it is around 4 something after, saying that this is easier to drive. Well, not if you just took our 4 dB of sensitivity out of the speaker!
 
Colleagues, I have for a long time lusted after the JBL LSR6332 as a replacement for my my JBL 4410 speakers. as such I I occasionally stumble on to a review or test of the LSR 32/6332. I did find a review of them by Danny Richie on the GR Research site.

I was surprised and stunned by Mr. Richie's negative review of this speaker. Where did he get that response curve ? did he hang a Navajo blanket between the speaker and an EV67 mic? He called the speaker a "mess" implying that it was high priced junk.
With the exception of Mr. Richie, I have not seen any negative reviews of this speaker by any reviewer, including those by our British Colleagues across the pond. If Mr. Richie wants to hate JBL for any reason, that is his perogative.
Whatever veracity he has had with me is now gone forever.

As have mentioned before, Danny's upgrade videos are hype to generate youtube hits and are pseudoscience. Would not put much faith in any of it. He manipulates scaling to create his typical narrative of how bad the target speaker is and how it needs his upgrading. I could go on at length but let's just start with the initial failure to baseline against known measurements. For this speaker, JBL supplies much more data than most manufacturers AND states the conditions. Does Danny use it? No, and he flails around guessing at a measurement axis when it is stated in the specs....

"The reference measurement microphone position is located perpendicular to the center line of the mid and high frequency transducers, at the point 55 mm (2.2 in) below the center of the tweeter diaphragm"

After this wasted time, he does his usual misleading measurements and here is the initial result compared to JBL's...

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Here I have plotted on a standard 50 dB scale (rather than Danny's usual 25 dB scale). I have adjusted his plot to overlay the JBL supplied data. At this point. does Danny question measurement conditions or whether the speaker might be broken? No, it is just poorly designed and needs his upgrade kit! So, rather than try some eq, let's rip out the drivers and design a whole new crossover! :facepalm: Even when the speaker measures well, he is often replacing parts for the sake of alleged "next level performance". Strange he provides measurements as a weapon but supplies none for some of his alleged improvements. He recently did another No-Rez promo video and there is not a single spec or measurement to illustrate its applicability or effectiveness.:(

Anyway, seems you already figured out the bottom line with regard to Danny. Hope you get to enjoy the long holiday weekend!
 
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He also talks about stock impedance being around 2.5 ohm. And that it is around 4 something after, saying that this is easier to drive. Well, not if you just took our 4 dB of sensitivity out of the speaker!

Add that he only measured the woofer from 200 Hz and above! :facepalm:
 
Add that he only measured the woofer from 200 Hz and above! :facepalm:
Who cares? All that matters to me is my NX OTICAS out perform any speakers I ever owned, no eq used either. So Danny is a legit speaker designer in my book.
 
I totally agree. Doctors, lawyers and engineers are usually hard to deal with. Of course not ALL of them, just most of them. Doctors and lawyers know it all and our obviously (in their mind) always the smartest person in the room. Engineers are over the top technical. Generally poor teachers and jump into details that any non-audio person does not understand. But there is hope! Off on the horizon you see a guy mounted on a white horse trotting your way. He seems ten feet tall in the saddle. Once he arrives it is our own famous Amir. He is here to teach non-audio, non-engineers the basics, so they can at the very least make some value judgements and dodge the snake oil. So as I always say there are two types on ASR, the hardcore engineers (who argue with each other) and are fun to read, then the others are regular non-engineer people who just want to make wiser decisions and learn. So, in reality you can learn A LOT on ASR. All the way into high tech engineering if you want to get into it. Long live ASR! Amir for President! Oh wait, I might have gotten carried away. :)
Couldn’t be worse.
 
I totally agree. Doctors, lawyers and engineers are usually hard to deal with. Of course not ALL of them, just most of them. Doctors and lawyers know it all and our obviously (in their mind) always the smartest person in the room. Engineers are over the top technical. Generally poor teachers and jump into details that any non-audio person does not understand. But there is hope! Off on the horizon you see a guy mounted on a white horse trotting your way. He seems ten feet tall in the saddle. Once he arrives it is our own famous Amir. He is here to teach non-audio, non-engineers the basics, so they can at the very least make some value judgements and dodge the snake oil. So as I always say there are two types on ASR, the hardcore engineers (who argue with each other) and are fun to read, then the others are regular non-engineer people who just want to make wiser decisions and learn. So, in reality you can learn A LOT on ASR. All the way into high tech engineering if you want to get into it. Long live ASR! Amir for President! Oh wait, I might have gotten carried away. :)
I resemble that remark, as a 'product guy' on Wall Street. On the other hand, I have to deal with salespeople who never want me to mention tradeoffs and occasionally clients or managers who want the same results achieved by different methods (or with no tradeoffs...see salespeople). There are some things in finance that are as obvious as the nose on your face, yet whole bureaucracies geared up to support ignoring them.
 
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