Danny Richie's latest...

[Recluse-Animator]

"Klippel measured? Totally unnecessary. Knowing how to read and interpret the measurements are far more important than trying to measure them to the highest level of accuracy."

I'm no rocket scientist, but wouldn't that be counter-intuitive.

 

[Spkrdctr]

It is what people say who "don't know what they don't know". Time has passed Danny by. What was viable and semi-normal in the 80s and 90s is not in any way good for today. Audio science has made massive progress since then. He is stuck to his youthful days in how he looks at audio. He needs to increase his technical knowledge a lot. He is a good speaker repair guy, but for overall engineering of a speaker? Nope. He is most likely a nice enough guy but he needs to study up on the last 20 years of audio advancements. In many trades, people think they are amazing and do a fantastic job when in reality they have been doing the same mistakes and mediocre job for 20 years. You have to really examine yourself and your work product to make sure you really are doing top notch work. So many car mechanics, plumbers, home remodelers etc. that repeat mediocre jobs their entire lifetime. Danny may be that person.

 

[Astoneroad]

So many car mechanics, plumbers, home remodelers etc. that repeat mediocre jobs their entire lifetime. Danny may be that person.

Technology and science are a fad. Once it's past like bell bottoms and roach clips, guys like Danny & Paul will be seen as prophets dancing around a "Bonfire of the Vanities".

 

[fpitas]

Sometimes I think laymen, or those with little technical knowledge of audio, tend to feel more comfortable with a "regular guy" than us miscreant engineers. I'm sure that helps his sales. I'll confess I'm not real patient teaching. One strong point of ASR is we have some very patient people here who are also knowledgeable. As well as us miscreants.

 

[fpitas]

Technology and science are a fad. Once it's past like bell bottoms and roach clips, guys like Danny & Paul will be seen as prophets dancing around a "Bonfire of the Vanities".

To some degree it's a generational thing. I gave up explaining what I do for a living to older people. Those under 20 though seem to get it.

 

[Spkrdctr]

Sometimes I think laymen, or those with little technical knowledge of audio, tend to feel more comfortable with a "regular guy" than us miscreant engineers. I'm sure that helps his sales. I'll confess I'm not real patient teaching. One strong point of ASR is we have some very patient people here who are also knowledgeable. As well as us miscreants.

I totally agree. Doctors, lawyers and engineers are usually hard to deal with. Of course not ALL of them, just most of them. Doctors and lawyers know it all and our obviously (in their mind) always the smartest person in the room. Engineers are over the top technical. Generally poor teachers and jump into details that any non-audio person does not understand. But there is hope! Off on the horizon you see a guy mounted on a white horse trotting your way. He seems ten feet tall in the saddle. Once he arrives it is our own famous Amir. He is here to teach non-audio, non-engineers the basics, so they can at the very least make some value judgements and dodge the snake oil. So as I always say there are two types on ASR, the hardcore engineers (who argue with each other) and are fun to read, then the others are regular non-engineer people who just want to make wiser decisions and learn. So, in reality you can learn A LOT on ASR. All the way into high tech engineering if you want to get into it. Long live ASR! Amir for President! Oh wait, I might have gotten carried away.

 

[thegeton]

In many trades, people think they are amazing and do a fantastic job when in reality they have been doing the same mistakes and mediocre job for 20 years.

Today we refer to that as The Dunning-Kruger Effect.

 

[TonyJZX]

garbage in, garbage out

isnt it obvious that if your measurements are inaccurate no matter how hard to scrutinise it you will always get the wrong result?

this from the guy who sells a $1k speaker with a 'full range' 4 inch driver

 

[Spkrdctr]

garbage in, garbage out

isnt it obvious that if your measurements are inaccurate no matter how hard to scrutinise it you will always get the wrong result?

this from the guy who sells a $1k speaker with a 'full range' 4 inch driver

I had forgotten about that. I am now cringing over that speaker. Eeew!

 

[Jim Shaw]

I totally agree. Doctors, lawyers and engineers are usually hard to deal with. Of course not ALL of them, just most of them. Doctors and lawyers know it all and our obviously (in their mind) always the smartest person in the room. Engineers are over the top technical. Generally poor teachers and jump into details that any non-audio person does not understand. But there is hope! Off on the horizon you see a guy mounted on a white horse trotting your way. He seems ten feet tall in the saddle. Once he arrives it is our own famous Amir. He is here to teach non-audio, non-engineers the basics, so they can at the very least make some value judgements and dodge the snake oil. So as I always say there a re two types on ASR, the hardcore engineers (who argue with each other) and are fun to read, then the others are regular non-engineer people who just want to make wiser decisions and learn. So, in reality you can learn A LOT on ASR. All the way into high tech engineering if you want to get into it. Long live ASR! Amir for President! Oh wait, I might have gotten carried away.

SO
The next time you're seriously ill, go to see a witch doctor. To write your will, hire a charismatic Youtuber to write it. If you want to design a loudspeaker, run to an audiophile and do what he says.

And if you want to pick hifi components, you can trust some old guy in a funny shirt. Just make sure he has fresh batteries in his hearing aids on his listening day.

Never ask an engineer the time -- he (or she) will tell you how to build a clock. When he's done, you won't care. [I know; I am one.]

 

[delta76]

We should stop posting every quote from this man, really. We agreed/settled his credibility. No point chasing down every point he made ...

 

[Spkrdctr]

Never ask an engineer the time -- he (or she) will tell you how to build a clock. When he's done, you won't care. [I know; I am one.]

Jim, that is a fantastic statement that summed up what I was saying. But, it is not a bad thing as you need engineers. It is just that some really get into the details very quickly when you want a 2 second answer to a difficult question. I guess the correct engineer response would be, "I could explain this to you but I need two hours". This will make the person go away and is a polite answer!

 

[Recluse-Animator]

"It doesn't make any difference whether I own a Klippel or not to understand the value of owning that tool. Think of it as trying to measure the MPG of a car. I have the means to measure it to the hundredth of a gallon. A Klipple has the means to measure it to the thousandth of a gallon. Does it really matter? No. What you are saying is like telling one of the worlds greatest artist that they really need to be using the latest brushes." Danny Richie.

Comparing science to art isn't valid as art is 100% opinion based without any basis in reality.

 

[mansr]

Jim, that is a fantastic statement that summed up what I was saying. But, it is not a bad thing as you need engineers. It is just that some really get into the details very quickly when you want a 2 second answer to a difficult question.

That's because the engineers are all more or less autistic. (I am an engineer.)

 

[Thomas savage]

I totally agree. Doctors, lawyers and engineers are usually hard to deal with. Of course not ALL of them, just most of them. Doctors and lawyers know it all and our obviously (in their mind) always the smartest person in the room. Engineers are over the top technical. Generally poor teachers and jump into details that any non-audio person does not understand. But there is hope! Off on the horizon you see a guy mounted on a white horse trotting your way. He seems ten feet tall in the saddle. Once he arrives it is our own famous Amir. He is here to teach non-audio, non-engineers the basics, so they can at the very least make some value judgements and dodge the snake oil. So as I always say there are two types on ASR, the hardcore engineers (who argue with each other) and are fun to read, then the others are regular non-engineer people who just want to make wiser decisions and learn. So, in reality you can learn A LOT on ASR. All the way into high tech engineering if you want to get into it. Long live ASR! Amir for President! Oh wait, I might have gotten carried away.

' President ' would be a demotion for the ' king of audio ' but fear not Amirm is a merciful king so you should keep your head despite this grave insolence .

 

[Thomas savage]

Never ask an engineer the time -- he (or she) will tell you how to build a clock. When he's done, you won't care. [I know; I am one.]

. .. Missed your train or burnt the turkey at least .

 

[SKBubba]

"Klippel measured? Totally unnecessary.

Translation: I can't afford a Klippel. And even if I could, I wouldn't know how to operate it.

 

[DJNX]

"Knowing how to read and interpret the measurements are far more important than trying to measure them to the highest level of accuracy."

I would understand this statement if the accurate measurements were too difficult to obtain, but that's not the case.
The price of the device (Klippel) is certainly a barrier, and had he used that reason then any criticism would have been unfair. However he just dismisses it entirely.

So rejecting accurate data makes me think it's more about keeping alive the audiophile "voodoo" than any other thing.

 

[phoenixdogfan]

Technology and science are a fad. Once it's past like bell bottoms and roach clips, guys like Danny & Paul will be seen as prophets dancing around a "Bonfire of the Vanities".

We are all monkeys before the monolith.

 

[Chrispy]

We are all monkeys before the monolith.

Not sure what side Danny is on sometimes....