I was afraid this given the acquisition of Roon by Harman. Now I have to wonder if Roon Ready will ever come at all? Also, per my earlier post, the AV10 shows up in Roon as under Roon Ready but has a disclaimer on it that its pending certification.As promised. DLBC is out before the end of this year. ART is coming around April 2024. But that's not all, Roon ready certification is now also planned for next year. I was told that at this moment, Masimo hasn't decided whether to certify Roon for both Denon and Marantz, or only for Marantz, as the latter is targeted at audio enthusiasts. I'll try to get more info about this.
P.S. The upcoming Roon-ready certification will convert the AVR into a first-ever multichannel-certified Roon endpoint. At the moment, other AVRs with Roon-ready capabilities, are detected as a 2.0 channel endpoint, therefore, you could only simulate multichannel music using DSU/AURO 3D and so on. Marantz is expected to support multichannel streaming. Even the idea of Dolby Atmos support via Tidal is being considered, so I was told.
I thought that you only use DLBC with multiple subs, otherwise I would also expect no differences.I bought and installed single sub dlbc and put that into my slot 1 and compared it to my normal dirac live full bandwidth curve slot 2 (which has my own custom crossover made into the curve of the fronts and sub) and could not hear any difference. The bass was the same to my ears. Tried it with a couple of movies but also with a lot of 2 channel music and flipped between the slots.
I asked dirac for a reimbursement.
The more subs, the greater the benefit, in my experience. One sub may not require DLBC at all for most.I thought that you only use DLBC with multiple subs, otherwise I would also expect no differences.
This is interesting - I've don't recall ever seeing the AV10 (or SACD 30n) show up under Roon Ready. But both are "uncertified" so still can't use RAAT.
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I have a couple of home setups - one with two subs and one with one sub.I bought and installed single sub dlbc and put that into my slot 1 and compared it to my normal dirac live full bandwidth curve slot 2 (which has my own custom crossover made into the curve of the fronts and sub) and could not hear any difference. The bass was the same to my ears. Tried it with a couple of movies but also with a lot of 2 channel music and flipped between the slots.
I asked dirac for a reimbursement.
Check my signature for link to Dirac compatible AVRs.I missed the recent Denon X3800H sale for $899 on Adorama.
If anyone knows of a good deal on a Dirac DLBC compatible AVR, please let us know. Thanks!
Epic!!ART is coming around April 2024.
I thought this would be interesting to know, so here you go...
Dirac Live Bass Control
Single Sub
Manufacturer Model Dirac.com link USA Price
No affiliateMfg link Channels Amir Review Arcam AVR5 Link 1690 link 12.1 ch preamp
7 ch ampArcam AVR10
-officially discontinued by ArcamLink 2200 link 11.2 ch preamp
7 ch ampLink Arcam AVR11 Link 2440 link 11.2 ch preamp
7 ch amp
Dirac Live Bass Control
Multi Sub
Manufacturer Model Dirac.com Link USA Price
No affiliateMfg Link Channels Amir Review Arcam AV40
-officially discontinued by ArcamLink 4950 link 16 ch preamp
No amps = processor
Receiver allows up to 4 subs to be
connected to the 'SUB' or
'Ch13/14/15/16' outputs.Arcam AV41 Link 4200 link 16 ch preamp
No amps = processor
Receiver allows up to 4 subs to be
connected to the 'SUB' or
'Ch13/14/15/16' outputs.Arcam AVR20
-officially discontinued by ArcamLink 4400 link 16.1 ch preamp
7 ch ampArcam AVR21 Link 3760 link 16.1 ch preamp
7 ch ampArcam AVR30
-officially discontinued by ArcamLink 5280 link 16.1 ch preamp
7 ch ampArcam AVR31 Link 5520 link 16.1 ch preamp
7 ch ampBryston SP4 Link 13k link 16 ch preamp
No amps = processorDenon AVR-A1H Link 6500 link 15.4 ch preamp
15 ch ampDenon AVR-X4800H Link 2500 link 11.4 ch preamp
9 ch ampLink Denon AVR-X3800H Link 1700 link 11.4 ch preamp
9 ch ampLink Focal Astral 16 Link 20k link 16 ch processing
12 ch amp
4 ch preamp via xlrIntegra DRX-8.4 Link 3200 link 11.4 ch preamp
11 ch ampMarantz AV10 Link 7000 link 15.4 ch preamp
No amps = processorLink Marantz Cinema 40 Link 3500 link 11.4 ch preamp
9 ch ampUpcoming review Marantz Cinema 50 Link 2500 link 11.4 ch preamp
9 ch ampMonoprice HTP-1
Note: Monoprice is currently beta testing
ART (link). So we can expect ART soon!Link 4000 link 16 ch preamp
No amps = processor
Up to 9 main level
channels, 6 upper/height channels,
and up to 5 subs.Onkyo TX-RZ70 Link 2800 link 11.2 ch preamp
11 ch ampPioneer VSA-LX805 Link n/a link 11.4 ch preamp
11 ch ampPioneer / Elite VSX-LX805 Link 3000 link 11.4 ch preamp
11 ch amp
Dirac ART:
Note: Amir only reviewed 1 StormAudio, the ISP 16 MK2 (link).
Manufacturer Model Dirac.com Link USA Price
No affiliateMfg link Channels StormAudio I.ISP 16.12
-I think this is discontinuedLink couldnt find StormAudio ISP Core 16 Link 25k-35k Link audio outputs = 16ch analog (XLR)
audio inputs = 4x RCA analog (7.1 or stereo)
decoding = 16 decoding/upmixing channels
processing = Up to 16chStormAudio ISP Elite MK1
-officially discontinued by StormAudioLink Link StormAudio ISP Elite MK2
-officially discontinued by StormAudioLink Link StormAudio ISP Master
-I think this is discontinuedLink couldnt find StormAudio ISP Elite MK3 Link 18k Link audio outputs = 16ch, 24ch or 32ch analog (XLR) - optional
audio inputs = 16ch digital (AES/EBU) - optional
decoding = 24 decoding/upmixing channels
processing = Up to 32ch
Note 2: ART for Denon/Marantz is rumored for April 2024 (source).
Changelog:
2023-12-05: Launched
2023-12-14:
- Today, Denon/Marantz introduced DLBC for their AVRs/processors, so I updated my table to show the Dirac licenses can be purchased already.
- Included links to Amir's reviews, and upcoming review.
- Added Denon/Marantz rumored release of ART, coming April 2024. (source)
I just purchased a AVR-X4800h. I downloaded theDirac live room correction software,. Haven't tried it yet. I'm very, very excited to get Dirac live active room treatment in the near future. But am I really going to have to purchase the subwoofer correction as well? Even though I do not need it nor can I use it? I have very large tower speakers. Fully capable of producing all the basic I could possibly want. I cannot use the Dirac bass control for these speakers .But according to some things that people have written, i will be forced to purchase it and order to get ART. Is that correct? I sure hope not.
I was under the impression that DBLC could only be applied to subwoofers. And not to full range speakers. Am I wrong?I am not certain how they will charge and if DLBC is required for ART. From what I've read so far, it will be required. Just to be clear about your full range towers - DLBC will include bass frequencies from all speakers when calculating/optimizing bass for your room. That said, the more full range speakers/subwoofers you have, the greater the benefits of DLBC. In fact, from what little I've read about ART, the same holds true - the more the merrier to far greater effect.