Yea it's amazing how people jumped on the digital bandwagon 40 years ago and now realize it was a mistake and want their old LP's backpeople are lemmings
Yea it's amazing how people jumped on the digital bandwagon 40 years ago and now realize it was a mistake and want their old LP's backpeople are lemmings
What that means is I ran an LP mastering operation after refurbishing a lathe, cutter head and electronics I bought in 1991. A lot of preconceptions I had about vinyl died an ugly death during that time. For example I found that if I had the stylus set up properly in the cutter head, the groove it cut was dead silent, such that you could not tell the needle was tracking it when playing it back. It was a few years before one of our customers wanted to do a project through QRP and since I've know Chad for decades prior I called him up and made arrangements to do the project. I recounted this prior so won't repeat myself."As best you can make out"?? What does that mean.
Care to share any documentary evidence for that -85dB - or even -60dB come to that?
The biggest problem there is that dynamic range of all recordings is limited by compression as an industry thing, since they think you're going to play the recording in a car. On that account dynamic range has become, sadly, a red herring. We never ran compression when we mastered LPs FWIW. LPs don't get played in a car, but usually the masters we had already had compression built in.I was being generous with the dynamic range as most recorded music has far less range.
So, no evidence thenWhat that means is I ran an LP mastering operation after refurbishing a lathe, cutter head and electronics I bought in 1991. A lot of preconceptions I had about vinyl died an ugly death during that time. For example I found that if I had the stylus set up properly in the cutter head, the groove it cut was dead silent, such that you could not tell the needle was tracking it when playing it back. It was a few years before one of our customers wanted to do a project through QRP and since I've know Chad for decades prior I called him up and made arrangements to do the project. I recounted this prior so won't repeat myself.
The biggest problem there is that dynamic range of all recordings is limited by compression as an industry thing, since they think you're going to play the recording in a car. On that account dynamic range has become, sadly, a red herring. We never ran compression when we mastered LPs FWIW. LPs don't get played in a car, but usually the masters we had already had compression built in.
Still no-one has addressed the simple issue that if digital were really all that much better LPs would be long gone and this conversation would not have occurred. I am not saying the LP is better mind you, simply that the advances of digital are incremental rather than transformative.
What kind of specific evidence are you desiring? Perhaps if that was made clear then an appropriate response could be forthcoming.So, no evidence then
An objective response independent of the character's beliefs.What kind of specific evidence are you desiring? Perhaps if that was made clear then an appropriate response could be forthcoming.
Since @atmasphere has access to a cutting lathe he could cut an acetate with a -0dB 1 KHz sine wave tone and then "silence" and then look at the playback results on an Oscilloscope so you could get a measurement of the peak signal vs the noise floor.What kind of specific evidence are you desiring? Perhaps if that was made clear then an appropriate response could be forthcoming.
In this case you first define (purely arbitrarily) "that much better" as something that should have caused LPs to disappear altogether. When it obviously has not happened you hint at the possibility that perhaps digital is not all "that much better". So please do elaborate: what do you think you are trying to say?Still no-one has addressed the simple issue that if digital were really all that much better LPs would be long gone and this conversation would not have occurred.
Had. I sold the mastering system this last spring.Since @atmasphere has access to a cutting lathe he could cut an acetate with a -0dB 1 KHz sine wave tone and then "silence" and then look at the playback results on an Oscilloscope so you could get a measurement of the peak signal vs the noise floor.
What I said. It was very plain English. Please look at my prior posts if you want to know more.In this case you first define (purely arbitrarily) "that much better" as something that should have caused LPs to disappear altogether. When it obviously has not happened you hint at the possibility that perhaps digital is not all "that much better". So please do elaborate: what do you think you are trying to say?
Actual documented measurements - rather than (apparently) earballing it. (doesn't have to be his own)What kind of specific evidence are you desiring? Perhaps if that was made clear then an appropriate response could be forthcoming.
Indeed it was. But did you actually manage to say something? What do we now know what we did not know before?What I said. It was very plain English.
Nope. Dumped them and never looked back. So I am not people ;-)Yea it's amazing how people jumped on the digital bandwagon 40 years ago and now realize it was a mistake and want their old LP's back
Still no-one has addressed the simple issue that if digital were really all that much better LPs would be long gone and this conversation would not have occurred. I am not saying the LP is better mind you, simply that the advances of digital are incremental rather than transformative.
'Of course' to the former, 'depends' to the latter; 'depends' if you are pragmatic. If so then you know why LP sales are increasing. And for anyone into digital, that should be a wake up that digital still needs to improve.Indeed it was. But did you actually manage to say something? What do we now know what we did not know before?
So then why has the LP been on the upswing? It shouldn't be...CDs nearly wiped out LP for a few decades, and digital remains by far the dominant technology (over analog) in recording, production, and releases. And it will surely remain so.
Increased sales of vinyl has nothing to do with its technical (or lack of) merits.'Of course' to the former, 'depends' to the latter; 'depends' if you are pragmatic. If so then you know why LP sales are increasing. And for anyone into digital, that should be a wake up that digital still needs to improve.
So then why has the LP been on the upswing? It shouldn't be...
https://www.riaa.com/u-s-sales-database/
It really should be ... gone!
I see a lot of denial around its existence. You can say how much better digital is and I won't argue that its better. I argue that its not better enough. The simple fact is the LP is still around and sales are increasing. That doesn't happen when a superior technology succeeds the prior art.
Partially because of clever marketing of the music industry to sell us their same music once more. Appealing to retro coolness and spreading false / incomplete technical info on the sound despite being technical inferior.'Of course' to the former, 'depends' to the latter; 'depends' if you are pragmatic. If so then you know why LP sales are increasing. And for anyone into digital, that should be a wake up that digital still needs to improve.
So then why has the LP been on the upswing? It shouldn't be...
https://www.riaa.com/u-s-sales-database/
It really should be ... gone!
I see a lot of denial around its existence. You can say how much better digital is and I won't argue that its better. I argue that its not better enough. The simple fact is the LP is still around and sales are increasing. That doesn't happen when a superior technology succeeds the prior art.
Not to mention : Fashion. Fad. Etc.Partially because of clever marketing of the music industry to sell us their same music once more. Appealing to retro coolness and spreading false / incomplete technical info on the sound despite being technical inferior.
[emphasis added](Not particularly for me - except for pops/clicks. I'm not that bothered by rumble/roar)
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I mean... it's de rigueur when listening to Wabash Cannonball.