Crossover, cheap resistors and caps
I see Solen capacitors... good enough to be used in some boutique speakers...
What would be considered not-cheap then? Mundorf I suppose? In before we see a review of capacitors being tested.
Crossover, cheap resistors and caps
But does it sound too bright based on estimated in-room response?
It is just some sticker or screen to print that was placed there to claim the territory. These are SB acoustics drivers that are white labeled and relabeled for Burchardt. They likely just wanted it to look good in the product shots for promo material.
SB acoustics drivers are great and elsewhere on this site the Burchardt folks are talking about using them and how they are right next to the SB Acoustics folks in Denmark.
That conversation also brought up these pair of DIY kit speakers. I am really curious about them and how they measure. Not sure I want to pull the trigger though... https://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/speaker-kits/satori-ara-2-way-speaker-kit-pair/
Uses the Satori line and a nice looking pre build enclosure, very easy DIY set.
Sounds about right for the price. Products cost less to make then they sell for. This type of mark up is totally average. There are dozens and dozens of additional expenses involved here. Heck for some buyer locations the shipping alone is going to be nearly $250 and the price includes that for example.https://www.madisoundspeakerstore.c...b-acoustics-sb15sfcr-00-5x8-passive-radiator/
Less than $250 in drivers in these loudspeakers.
It would seem to me that there is no reason, especially on a site that claims frequency response is what you hear, not driver materials that a resonate cabinet can't be a part of the system if well designed. It is really just a potential source of some output.Mads Buchardt said on another post that Buchardt has competencies and equipment in sophisticated scanning-based analysis. I wonder if these were deployed in trying to rationalise the enclosure design, and get it to be as cost-effective as possible below hearing thresholds, especially since much has been said about the cost of designing the waveguide.
It would seem to me that there is no reason, especially on a site that claims frequency response is what you hear, not driver materials that a resonate cabinet can't be a part of the system if well designed. It is really just a potential source of some output.
Obviously I can't say for sure on my own as I am not a expert.
I'm looking at products like stealth acoustics invisible speakers https://www.stealthacoustics.com/
They essential vibrate the enclosure wall. Read an interview where they plan to make boxes speakers with no visible drivers. Just a square that makes sound.
There are speakers that vibrate glass panels and some new car audio OEM systems that will vibrate the plastic interior panels.
https://www.digitalengineering247.com/article/speakerless-sound/
Now don't get me wrong. I like a hearty build on my speak but how much of that is just in my head as far as reality???
huh? Not being snide here. If you want to break them in put them in the garage or other suitable location. Play four days straight. Listen for 4 more hours. Done.The company gives you a 30 day money back trial. If the speakers take 100 hours to 'break in' before they sound best then you'd have to listen over three hours a day, each day, before you will be able to tell. But then, your trial is over. How ridiculous is that?
While it's always a risk to idolize a product, it doesn't surprise me:
- They were a speaker from a relative newcomer
- They come from a small company
- The speakers have a sleek design
- They got good impressions/reviews
- The company posted more measurements than almost any hifi-oriented company,
- These were mostly very good measurements, capturing the objective crowd too.
- They're relatively small.
- And at launch in the US, their sticker price was a bit cheaper than some alternatives too.
One could probably reach a similar conclusion with the Ascend Sierra II.
You missed my point friend. My point is that perhaps is does not need to be masked. Perhaps you could even make a cabinet that vibrates and sounds good, one where the cabinet itself is the driver. You see what I am wondering?There is definitely enclosure contribution. The question is how much, and is it sufficiently masked by driver output? Since the early 90s, we have been able to measure enclosure vibration in isolation from the drivers' output. One can only hope such techniques were used by Buchardt to rationalise the enclosure design, not to cut costs indiscriminately.
You missed my point friend. My point is that perhaps is does not need to be masked. Perhaps you could even make a cabinet that vibrates and sounds good, one where the cabinet itself is the driver. You see what I am wondering?
I see Solen capacitors... good enough to be used in some boutique speakers...
What would be considered not-cheap then? Mundorf I suppose? In before we see a review of capacitors being tested.
Because real musical instruments have cabinet vibrations, duh.That was the Harbeth schtick. But think about it, why use such an uncontrolled, imprecise and inconsistent method when you can simply engineer away cabinet contribution and focus on using more precise transducers to yield whatever the desired sound is?
About € 1,400 with electrolytics and sand resistors.
I guess you will not give importance, in cars, the brakes (disc or ABS) or the seat cover, no matter what the vehicle cost you.
Some overlays of technical curves for Buchardt S400:
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Spin plus system impedance:
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Strangely, the S400 is not eliminated in my book...
I have the data to judge, and the FR seems pretty good to me.