Looks like Zobel added after the fact... Fortunately, in that crossover position, the resistor is unlikely to get hot enough to liquify the hot-melt glue.
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Tekton M-Lore Speaker Review
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I own several on that list, but not the 2 you mention. I don’t doubt those 2 measure great, but even on stands I don’t think they would be as room filling, or go as low as the mini lores, I could be wrong though. Now on that list, if I didn’t already own the m lores for the room and use case they are in, I might try the Jbl 590s or 580s on their Black Friday sales, but that’s still a couple or few hundred more than what I paid for the m lores.
the link if someone wants to read the comments. surprisingly more people are calling out their unnecessary aggressive behavior. but many are still babbling none senses.Tekton Design
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you're proud of your work does not mean you can't make mistake, nor can't be better. I would never buy from a brand which can't take constructive criticism, let alone threat the ones giving it to them
Having read through that entire thread, it's pretty obvious his core customer base are subjectivists, and in some case very extreme ones at that. Thus, it's beyond weird that he responded so hostilely to a non-negative objectivist review. Imo it looks like most of his clients and potential clients don't care and will never care about measurements!
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One of the many benefits of the measurements performed by @amirm and Erin is that we can compare speakers fairly easily.
for example : You can see they go just as low and have just as much output. The M-Lore starts rolling off at 80 Hz, while the 308Ps & T8Vs are flat to 50 Hz. Something else worth noting is that the 308Ps & T8Vs are active speakers so they don't need an amp. The 308Ps, only accepts balanced input, while T8Vs will accept balanced and unbalanced input.
Look up anechoic vs in room response, or better yet listen to equal measuring anechoic speakers in a room setting, and tell me if you can hear, and feel a difference. Note the cabinet sizes, and if either are ported designs. The m lore is ported at the bottom front, fyi
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The Klippel can predict in room response extremely accurately above 500Hz, there really is no debate regarding how they measure in room that's meaningful unless you have an extremely reactive room in some way which would be very rare to massively effect the predicted. If it sounds good, and I have heard speakers that don't measure flat that I've really enjoyed myself, then that's great. The irony is though it's not even the measurements that's the problem, this thread would have been maybe 10-15 pages of completely reasonable interaction. It's the designer's actions that have done the damage, nothing else.
I'm well aware of the differences between an anechoic chamber, and an active room, as is most ASR members.
front ported doesn't necessarily mean better, the only reason why Adam A4v's aren't sitting on mt desk right now is because they are front ported and have imo a pretty bad port resonance at 1KHz.
On many many occasions I've experienced extremely powerful sound systems (while wearing protection), by that I mean the ones that make it feel like you just got punched in chest from 10 feet way. I've also been in close proximity to top fuel dragsters, and jet powered vehicles, but that's not something I want in my home.
I'd much rather have clinically precise speakers that I can tune to the room and my preferences.
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I'm not watching it. It's so active that it shows up in "What's New" constantly. Besides, you can put me on ignore.
I have no reason to do that, I was just trying to help you out!
I disagree and I think we have enough examples of the opposite. It's more a rough prediction but quite accurate at parts of the response above a certain frequency range.
I certainly wouldn't call the estimated graph vs the actual in-room response above 500 Hz below extremely accurate.
There are also speakers that would measure poorly with the Klippel but end up measuring very evenly in the room.
I found this article recently. I think it is germane to the Tekton debacle and nice summary about those who dislike audio measurements.
Nobody is saying anything about what they sound like, just that the estimated in-room response of both the JBL and ADAM loudspeaker is superior.
No?
On my desk right now, I have some full range Fostex 4" drivers in a Kanspea DIY front ported box. The speakers measure well over 150 Hz or so. I just ran test tones, and 125Hz is clearly audible, maybe down 6db, but the air through the port is very powerful, would blow out a candle a foot away. (Amp is Fosi V3). Now above 500Hz, these are surely rated for the SPL's If there is interest, I will be happy to send these to Amir for testing. Also will take some pics if anyone is interested. I did the Fostex driver (FF105WK) upgrade, but didn't get an amp from Madisound. The Audio I use is Roon streaming, a headphone amp, and computer audio from a Scarlett interface, I have a Schiit switcher to go between Roon and Computer audio. No sub, there's another system 10 feet across the room with LS-50s, and a REL sub, also Roon connected. https://www.madisoundspeakerstore.c...0e-diy-kanspea-4-full-range-speaker-kit-pair/
MAB
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You mean like this?
Easily compare loudspeakers measurements
Easily compare loudspeakers measurements
No, not really a good approach. You should be looking these things up!
No idea what you mean. You know you can look this up don't you?
I do think its an accurate prediction. Above 900 hz its a perfect match for the toed out data through the frequency range that is responsible for most of the tonality. Erin clearly has some kind of absorption in his listening room based of it going down after 10kHz.
Your second point about badly measuring speakers measuring evenly in room can indeed be true. You might just have the perfect room to compensate for all the irregularities in the response. But lets be real here, if you have a speaker that measures well in an anechoic environment (flat response and smooth directivity) it will most likely sound better in more rooms than a badly measuring speaker. I don't know if its good advise to tell people to just gamble and pray that a speaker that measured poorly on the Klippel will gets exactly the right corrections when your put them in a room. Your would basically suggest to make your room shit in such a specific way that it corrects flaws in your speakers, instead of just buying a speaker that most likely will sound great from the start and can easily be corrected with EQ.
Well, there's no such thing as "equal measuring" speakers that aren't the same model. If they're not different in frequency response, they're different in directivity, and those will have the primary effect on sound you hear given you're listening at a level that isn't straining one of the speakers.
Also, the predicted in room response in the spinorama is a reliable indicator of spatially averaged in-room measurements. That's exactly what it was designed for, although as noted below it needs to be correlated with specific measurements.
On the matter of the Mini Lore's, I don't doubt that for some people the output over smaller bookshelf speakers is worth it for the price. I don't think the measurements are that incredibly bad that someone couldn't enjoy them.
I disagree about having seen enough examples otherwise.
I think the problem is that no one actually measures in room response the way the PIR was designed to replicate. If I remember correctly, that's specifically that's an in-room spatial average of 7 measurements over a ±15 window at a 10 foot listening distance.
Even when people are doing special averages, I get the impression it's usually not quite that wide, nor done under the test conditions the PIR was looking to replicate. In my own testing, measurements align much more closely with the PIR when done under these conditions. I believe it's also noted in one of the original papers that there is disagreement above ~10khz because that area is influenced by the direct sound more.
Of course we can then argue about what the value of the PIR is if it's designed to match such a specific measurement. I think it's really mostly to get an overall sense of the contributions of the direct sound and off axis sound to tonality, which in practice I think is how most people use it; I don't know if anybody really cares if it matches their in room measurements.
I'm curious as to which designs you think would perform poorly on the Klippel but would be good in room? In wall speakers pose an obvious challenge, but there's still information to glean.
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