Audient specifies the line out of the iD4 mk1 with SINAD 96 and the new iD4 mk2 104.
ASR measured 99 for the mk1, so the mk2 should be roughly 107 green area.
ASR measured 99 for the mk1, so the mk2 should be roughly 107 green area.
Audient specifies the line out of the iD4 mk1 with SINAD 96 and the new iD4 mk2 104.
ASR measured 99 for the mk1, so the mk2 should be roughly 107 green area.
These figures suggest moving from about +/-8 V to +/-15 V supplies... pretty bold for bus-powered interfaces. Wouldn't be possible without Type C, I guess. Still makes me wonder what headphone out distortion performance would be like.
Any guesses as to converters? DAC wise I suspect either something ESS or a CS43198, the amount of DACs that are good for a real-life 125.5 dB(A) is somewhat limited.
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So you can't use two different headphones with different ohm right on the two headphone jacks (non independent) ? And if they have same ohm both will hear the same thing ? Will it have enough power to power both headphones ? Just need an adaptor for 1 of them correct to be able to plug it in ?
Also two or 3 reviews here ID4 : https://www.thomann.de/gb/audient_id4_mkii_reviews.htm??ar=510532&page=1&order=0&rating=0&reviewlang[]=all
They claim :
Negative points:
- You only have 1 mic input.
- At maximum boost for your headset you will hear some noise
- Mic gain is good, unfortunately you cannot turn it to the maximum without noise.
- No mic mute button
- No headset mute button
Perfectly silent, no background noise except with maximum gain.
The cable supplied is a usb-c to usb-c but it can be used with a usb-c to usb-a cable, preferably usb3.
And on ID14 MKII : https://www.thomann.de/ro/audient_id14_mkii_reviews.htm??ar=510533&page=1&order=0&rating=0&reviewlang[]=all
Only regret, the USB C connection seems fragile to me ... and the metal frame of the card that I received was poorly closed ... Well, it's the time of COVID and the factories doing what they can, we forgive, but we must be careful.
I have a little problem with the headphone levels though. It's not loud enough for me to drive an open back DT-990. It's loud, really loud, but I want to go way past that if I'm mixing so that I don't have trouble hearing anything that is soloed but the mix level is low.
the huge problem is with the id audient software program, the handling of the software needs a lot of improvements .
The headphone outputs are loud and therefore high-impedance KH can be fired without any problems. (this is positive and contradicts the above)
The input and output sockets are unfortunately a bit wobbly or unstable and I have the feeling that there could be problems at some point.
The biggest point of criticism (and also the reason for the return) is the driver! Under Windows 10, there are cracks every now and then and the interface sporadically does not wake up from sleep mode of the PC (but USB connection is available).
Unfortunately, these circumstances force me to look around for a different interface, although I would have liked to keep the Audient because of its nice look and also because of the two headphone and monitor outputs.
Biggest drawback: Since March 15th (after Windows update to version 10.0.18363 Build 18363) the interface is no longer recognized sporadically. I'm still looking for a solution here. Maybe something is known about this from Thomann, the manufacturer or another user.
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Now since Motu M2 is available in 5-7 weeks, i want to ask if ID4 or ID14 is good or better than Motu M2 ?
What about the video ? Any preference in tone and volume of different frequencies ? The M2 has more bass and less highs, the audient more highs and less bass. Motu is dark/night, Audient is day/light.
The ID4 has 1 input and is almost twice as cheeper as ID14. Actually i think the ID14 is a little bit too expensive compared to their single ID4.
Hello there,
Thank you for your message.
The higher headphone headroom is only available when the unit is connected to a USB-C port on the computer and not to a USB-A port. This is because the USB0C ports have extra pins which are required to enable this higher current delivery to the interface.
However please bear in mind that even when using a USB-A connection, you still have the same headphone output levels as the iD4 and iD14 MKI, which are more than enough to drive most headphones, but with the hugely upgraded DAC's feeding the headphone amplifier for more precise listening. Using USB-C just gives you an extra 6dB of headroom to minimise clipping when driving headphones that aren't very sensitive but again with most headphones on the market, this won't be an issue at all.
I hope this clears things up somewhat but of you have any further questions, please let me know.
All the best,
See picture.These figures suggest moving from about +/-8 V to +/-15 V supplies... pretty bold for bus-powered interfaces. Wouldn't be possible without Type C, I guess. Still makes me wonder what headphone out distortion performance would be like.
Any guesses as to converters? DAC wise I suspect either something ESS or a CS43198, the amount of DACs that are good for a real-life 125.5 dB(A) is somewhat limited.
One thing I do not understand is that how they are using the best converters but still measure so poorly(relatively). Other companies achieve the same performance with way cheaper converters. I am also not sure about the preamp. Is it really good in today's standard?See picture.
Overall, ID4 MKII is a fine little device. Rigid metal case. ADC section is very good, very low noise pre-amps. DAC section is also great. Channel balance perfect (volume knob is an encoder). I can hear relay switching when changing sample rate. HP amp (when connected to high power USB 3/C port, mine is connected via type C <-> type C cable) is capable of driving 150, 250 and 600 Ω headphones no problem.
Well, since I'm not a certified level 80 psychic audiophile who is capable of finding nuances between signal cables, I neither have any idea of what is your baseline standard for rating something "relatively poor", nor I have any idea what technical measurements of ID4/ID14 mk2 you're referring to for basing your evaluation of the device, nor I know anything about your experience with other interfaces, professional background and what companies and devices with "cheaper chips and same performance" you refer to.One thing I do not understand is that how they are using the best converters but still measure so poorly(relatively). Other companies achieve the same performance with way cheaper converters. I am also not sure about the preamp. Is it really good in today's standard?
Idk, what about this?https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...ated-their-audio-interfaces.19219/post-742585Well, since I'm not a certified level 80 psychic audiophile who is capable of finding nuances between signal cables, I neither have any idea of what is your baseline standard for rating something "relatively poor", nor I have any idea what technical measurements of ID4/ID14 mk2 you're referring to for basing your evaluation of the device, nor I know anything about your experience with other interfaces, professional background and what companies and devices with "cheaper chips and same performance" you refer to.
As I've said, it's a good little device. Input stage is on par with big studio Audient consoles (or any other high grade hardware). Weighted input DR is about 112-114dB, preamp noise is less than -130. Output DR is around 125-126dB (A-weighted). No IMD hump. Interchannel around -114 -115 dB, no channel disbalance at all. HP amp is crystal clear at any volume and is more powerful (when connected to high power port) than on any other compact interface I used (including clarett, motu and antelope zen go), driving tough 600Ω is no problem. Low latency. The biggest downside is not having immediate input level monitoring like on motu m2/m4, power meter is very basic.
By my humble standards these modern entry-level devices like ID4/ID14 MKII and others have high grade specs being in budget friendly price range. 10-15 years ago you could find these kind of specs in high grade studio gear, nowadays you can have it at home.
That's because on the ADI-2 Pro, it's fed from a dedicated line input. On these, it's fed through the padded down mic preamp. Audient's mic pre is not the cleanest ever (and it isn't supposed to be, fwiw, it's designed for a little bit of "sheen").RME uses the same AK5574 but with far superior performance in the AD section
That explains it. Thanks. I have an id14 mkii and an m audio air 192|4 coming. I also have a clarett 2pre(modded), adi2pro fs be r on hand. Maybe I'll test them someday.That's because on the ADI-2 Pro, it's fed from a dedicated line input. On these, it's fed through the padded down mic preamp. Audient's mic pre is not the cleanest ever (and it isn't supposed to be, fwiw, it's designed for a little bit of "sheen").
That's strange. How exactly are you observing this, what is your chain and measurement means?Just got my ID14 mkii. The DA section is pretty excellent. But when I measure the AD section.... Let's not talk about distortion being high at higher level. There is interchannel phase shift + polarity inversion between the two input channels. What the heck? Anyone interested in full measurements suite in a new thread?
The EIN of mic pre is -128.6dB which is excellent.