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I found a site that compiles a long list of reviews around ATC products: http://www.audiostereo.ro/ATC_reviews.html
Crossing over 8 inch driver to the tweeter? No amount of DSP will fix that. If it had a proper mid driver like Genelec and other speakers, I'd be tempted. I'd like to see a100db SPL thd measurement for this speaker, as I believe it won't be pretty.
First off, please note that I listened to classical, orchestral, music in a ¬45m sq room; both speaker pair were placed on low stands.Thanks for your reply. Could you be more explicit as to why you preferred the ATC 150 over the Genelec 8361A? Just curios - even if it is subjective.
This post is an important reminder, IMHO, that if you have a large room and sit a reasonable distance from your speakers most of the speakers so far tested by Amir will be inadequate on classical music.First off, please note that I listened to classical, orchestral, music in a ¬45m sq room; both speaker pair were placed on low stands.
On small ensembles, the sound was very satisfactory from both, the Gens seemed to be more bright i.e. mid-hi frequencies were more prominent than with the ATC. The details were exxcellent with both speakers, subjectively, the Gens had a slight edge in making very low level detail more evident (perhaps because bass & mid-bass was less pronounced with the Gens).
The major difference was in full dynamic content (crescendo -- fff) where the Atc filled the room and sounded fully fleshed; the Gen sounded more like a light, low fat, version. Keep in mind that both delivered high amplitutdes without a problem -- i.e. a Mahler 2 has a few dramatic ffff moments in the 1st movement (allegro maestoso): the ATC filled the room with the orchestra. By comparison the orchestra seemed smaller with the Gens (and it wasn't a mastering matter).
That said, overall the ATC sounded more lifelike. Obviously, I cannot ultimately tell you which of the two is more precise - true to the source... Regards
I suppose it's same issue with "radiating size".By comparison the orchestra seemed smaller with the Gens (and it wasn't a mastering matter).
No it isn't too low for the ATC 3" driver which is flat from 400Hz, so 380 will be ideal for the crossover (as ATC obviously know having made it for decades). Have you seen the size of its motor?This seems too low for a 3" driver - it is simple physics.
That was informative - thank you! BTW - I know the size of that motor is approx the size of a VW . And it weights 7kg - clear sign of obesity.No it isn't too low for the ATC 3" driver which is flat from 400Hz, so 380 will be ideal for the crossover (as ATC obviously know having made it for decades). Have you seen the size of its motor?
The Genelec 3" driver is used down to 67Hz in the 8010 fwiw but obviously nowhere near the loudness level of the ATC at 380Hz though amazingly its distortion doesn't get hideous until around 150Hz.
It's not a problem for this driver unless you expect it to work all the time at max continuous SPL from manual. But in that case you'll need something big with horn like M2 or PA array.The only problem I still have with the SCM150AS is the 15" driver crossed to a 3" driver at 380.
There was always be those with different personal preference.
Based on the data available, the Genelec system is objectively far better, and would likely be preferred by the majority of folks. Sighted tests might go either way, based on biases, but blind tests would heavily favor the Genelec.
Have you considered D&D 8C? I own the 8351b, but I subjectively preferred the 8C for 2.0 listening due to its better bass. IMO, it's the best speaker I've ever heard if you don't have(or don't want) multiple subwoofers scattered about. Adding the W371a will obviously surpass the 8C, but is also 3x the price.
A cardioid midrange is going to make more of a difference than a coaxial driver unless you're using them near field. ME Gethains, the Kii Three, and the Dutch & Dutch 8C have this. The Kii Three and Dutch & Dutch 8C have waveguides for the tweeters, and the ME Geithains. Both of those two speakers have measurements just about as good as a speaker with a constant dirdctivity can have, with the Dutch & Dutch 8C being a little bit better.
I have the Dutch & Dutch 8C. These things produce sound in a way that I didn't even know was possible for a pair of loudspeakers. The cardioid midrange allows them to give you a window into the music with a super deep soundstage that other speakers would struggle to produce without some hefty acoustic treatment. I have Salon2's, and they are obviously superior in this respect.
The ATCs are probably the best monitors at any price point.
There is a reason why we see so many high end studios with ATC.. they can afford anything they want and most of them are experienced enough to know what to listen to in a speaker.
There is something that sounds fake in many of these dsp speakers and I tried quite a few of them.. nothing compares to ATC IMO.
I would love to try ME Geithains but like you said, you just can't find them in the US.
Either way, don't take too seriously any online forum and definitely not sellers who try to promote products they sell. Just go and listen for yourself and if you have the budget, buy 2-3 pairs at once, test them in your room and keep the one you like best. (not possible with ATC 50 and up as they are special order so you can't return them.)
I got 8361s in 5x8 room with opening and lacking bass . @pierre do you think 2x 7370 would be reaching decent spl before bottoming out ?If you have a large room (i would tell more than 50 sqm) W371+83x1 does it well. You still need a subwoofer if you love sub-bass.
My room is 6mx8m, LP 3.5m from the speakers. 8361 and 1 or 2 large subs would also have make it to be honest.
Level wise, i have no issue either with classical music or with electro. I have been over 110dB at LP for fun and I am sure you can go over. My sub is too small to keep up (7370) with the W371 so I removed it. Directivity is really smooth which is a plus.