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[No Politics] What you need to know about CoVID-19 by SARS-CoV-2 [No Politics]

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Poor newborns, with their body intact and receiving 11 vaccines in France. (before 2018 only 3)
Do you know who has decided to add 8 vaccines ? Our health Minister in 2018, Mrs Agnès Buzyn.
Who is Agnès Buzyn ? She has worked during 14 years for Big-Pharma and her husband Yves Levy is working in the P4 Laboratory in Whuan, China.

https://vacunasaep.org/profesionales/calendario-de-vacunaciones-de-la-aep-2020

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I suppose that, in addition to the Mediterranean diet, our health system, including the vaccination system, will have something to do with it for us Spaniards to occupy position number 3 in the world ranking of life expectancy, behind Japan and Switzerland. 83.3 years.

In 1900 it was just over 34.76 years old.
 

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You may have explained this before, but what do the "residences" numbers refer to?

Nursing homes. Elder people. It seems that Spanish society cares much more about children than older adults, that is how it has gone!

BTW, today it has been known that in the largest nursing home in Spain, located in Madrid, where about a hundred residents died, 8 positives have been detected.
 
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They probably know what they are talking about then.
Experts.

Yes they are experts.
You don't see the problem ? Our Minister of health is coming from Big Pharma and first thing she does is adding 8 vaccines to newborns.
 

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What does this percentage mean?
Belgium 50% Deceased in residences
 

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What does this percentage mean?
Belgium 50% Deceased in residences

That in Belgium they have taken less care of their older dependents than in Spain, which is to say. At this point, the Spanish hursing homes have not yet been medicalized to prepare for a major outbreak. Surely something can be done while the law is not changed to include them in the health system so that they are much more controlled.

Then they will say that he caught them unexpectedly, like the Covid-19. The courts are filling up with complaints.
 

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https://vacunasaep.org/profesionales/calendario-de-vacunaciones-de-la-aep-2020

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I suppose that, in addition to the Mediterranean diet, our health system, including the vaccination system, will have something to do with it for us Spaniards to occupy position number 3 in the world ranking of life expectancy, behind Japan and Switzerland. 83.3 years.

In 1900 it was just over 34.76 years old.


You forget something VERY important : hygiene.
Who had a real bathroom, a refrigerator, a washing machine, a vacuum cleaner, radiators in winter, air conditioning, a car, in 1900 ? A car can bring you to the emergency and save your life...
Today’s lifespan is due to all this progress, it’s not just due to vaccines.
 

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That in Belgium they have taken less care of their older dependents than in Spain, which is to say. At this point, the Spanish hursing homes have not yet been medicalized to prepare for a major outbreak. Surely something can be done while the law is not changed to include them in the health system so that they are much more controlled.

Then they will say that he caught them unexpectedly, like the Covid-19. The courts are filling up with complaints.
I hear ya, but does that mean 50% of elders in nursing homes have died due to COVID-19? Or 50% of those infected in nursing homes have died?
 

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Only an Expert by Laurie Anderson. Lighten up:

 

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Today’s lifespan is due to all this progress, it’s not just due to vaccines.
I happen to be a historian of health: sanitation was responsible for the bulk of early improvements in life expectancy, together with a better diet. After that is was the growth of a public health system, better medical care, antibiotics, and vaccination.
 

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In Spain we just eat seafood. In some regions, snails and frog legs like in France. Rabbit and young horse (minority). Old horses -> dog food, like in other countries.

The last time I ate snails was probably around 40 years ago but that day I remember that I ate 108.
I never ate frog legs and will never ate snails again.

Today I eat mostly seafood like you sometimes with seaweeds. And I eat sushis...
I cross the Spanish boarder at least once a month. I speak fluently Catalan because of my parents who spoke Catalan at home but don't know how to write it and reading it is difficult.
 
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Yes they are experts.
You don't see the problem ? Our Minister of health is coming from Big Pharma and first thing she does is adding 8 vaccines to newborns.
I don't see a problem with somebody with many years experience in pharmacology being in charge of choosing drug strategy. I do see a problem with ignorant people being given responsibility for things they are inexperienced in and frequently ill equipped to understand, ie most politicians.
You perhaps see Big pharma as a threat, I see it as part of modern medicine and the reason people live longer nowadays. All we need is independent control over price and availability. We have NICE here for that, they are often not popular both with patients and the pharmaceutical companiies when they decide a drug is too expensive for the likely benefits, but that is what they are there for.
They are mainly concentrating on Covid-19 at the moment, thankfully.
 

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I happen to be a historian of health: sanitation was responsible for the bulk of early improvements in life expectancy, together with a better diet. After that is was the growth of a public health system, better medical care, antibiotics, and vaccination.
This is a great relatively quick read for anyone interested in learning more about the father of modern epidemiology, John Snow (no affiliation with GOT):
https://www.amazon.com/Ghost-Map-Londons-Terrifying-Epidemic/dp/1594482691
 

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What journalists can learn from their mistakes during the pandemic
https://reutersinstitute.politics.o...ists-can-learn-their-mistakes-during-pandemic

[ UK journalists have embarked on a major critique of the performance of politicians and scientists in this pandemic. And rightly so. Tens of thousands of lives have been lost, our economy has slumped, and there are fears that the future of a whole generation has been blighted. But it’s only fair that we should also start to critique ourselves. How have we performed in our coverage of COVID-19? Where did we get it right and where did we make some of the same mistakes of which we accuse politicians and scientists?

This seminar is based on my professional opinion and experience in covering the pandemic, on off-the-record conversations with some of broadcasting’s most senior political and specialist journalists, on discussions with journalists on specialist publications and on some discussion with the scientists we have relied on and used... ]

[ Too many PPEs, too few PPEs

So how did we cope with this story, when at its heart was complex science and, like the politicians, most of us have an arts and politics education? Angela Merkel was a brilliant student of mathematics. Her doctorate was in quantum chemistry. How many of us even know what that is? In this pandemic, she read key science papers herself. Boris Johnson has a degree in classics. He told the Commons Liaison Committee he had not actually read the scientific papers. He has since said he has read scientific papers... ]

[ Data literacy matters

It was not just our profession’s lack of scientific knowledge which hampered us. We often didn’t understand data. Experts complain our profession regularly ‘mixed up the denominator’. If you don’t understand what they mean, maybe you are part of that problem. Experts said that 30% of people with COVID-19 may test negative. That was reported wrongly as 30% of negative tests being wrong. The risk of dying of COVID-19 was also confused. One way of looking at the problem is to ask what your chance of dying is. The other is to ask what your chance of getting it and then dying is. Two quite different things and they were sometimes confused... ]

[ The academic backgrounds of political journalists are uncannily similar to those of politicians.

Let’s be frank, in a medical emergency you wouldn’t call on a single one of them. However, when I talked to specialist journalists, and scientists, they said they thought that political journalists got up to speed remarkably well in the circumstances. Global health expert Dr Michael Head told me, ‘There was an anxiety to get the story right. Journalists were very conscious of their public service role.’ .. ]

[ There is a widespread view that broadcasters sometimes sent the wrong journalists to press conferences. The heavyweight political editors pushed out the less well-known health stalwarts. One health specialist said, ‘ If you are a health specialist there are not normally many people splashing in your paddling pool. All of a sudden health is the only game in town.’ One scientist said to me that ‘flashy’ political correspondents understood very little about the scientific facts on days when the key points were about detailed scientific and data issues. So key questions were not asked. Specialist correspondents were passed over for attendance in favour of well-known political editors who didn’t have the in-depth knowledge needed... ]

[ Journalists need to learn they can’t always have a definitive answer to a question. As one expert told me, ‘Everyone in SAGE is disagreeing and cautious and disputing.’ Journalists have got to learn to cope with the concept of uncertainty. This error was made in the terrible reporting of MMR when some journalists totally misunderstood the significance of scientists saying nothing is risk-free. COVID-19 was a new virus and we were asking experts to give firm views when the experts themselves were learning every day.’ As Alastair McLellan put it, ‘We are all on a learning curve, even the expert journalists and the very best scientists in the world.’

However, some of the errors made were caused by lack of understanding of basic statistics. Should every broadcaster run a course for its journalists in statistics? I think so. In my career, I have often been astounded by basic errors made in reporting something as obvious as percentages in a survey. As one of the experts I consulted said, you don’t need a degree in statistics, ’You need a critical mind.’ ]
 
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