Why do passive speakers still exist?

[Pearljam5000]

I don't think I will.

This is passive vs. active and you just put people in two boxes. That's not right. If you only meant the ones buying snake oil cables and McIntosh bling with cable risers, fine by me. But that was not how your comment went.

It's passive aggressive

 

[srrxr71]

I don't think I will.

This is passive vs. active and you just put people in two boxes. That's not right. If you only meant the ones buying snake oil cables and McIntosh bling with cable risers, fine by me. But that was not how your comment went.

Not really. He said “often times” not “always”

 

[Deleted member 48726]

It's passive aggressive

Indeed.

 

[JiiPee]

I don't think I will.

This is passive vs. active and you just put people in two boxes. That's not right. If you only meant the ones buying snake oil cables and McIntosh bling with cable risers, fine by me. But that was not how your comment went.

It is of course up to You if You will, or won't.

However, I wonder what are the two boxes You mentioned ? Regardless of active vs passive design, most speakers are way too small to put anyone inside them... If You meant flaunters vs. compensators, that covers only a small group of people... If You meant buyers of huge speakers vs. others... well, if buying McIntosh stuff to impress others is open to ridicule, then why is buying huge tower speakers to impress others somehow above it ?

 

[chelgrian]

Your amp sucks
You need to upgrade to the Goldmund View attachment 334681

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[Deleted member 48726]

It is of course up to You if You will, or won't.

The latter.

 

[Liya]

Primarily it is the way audio equipment is sold, typically the first question a salesman asks is, ‘what is your budget’ not ‘do you want the best sound quality possible’.
If the customer’s budget is more than say a pair of Kiis ( this is an actual example ) then the owner just does not mention them as an option and suggests something more expensive instead, which inevitably would be a passive system with the potential for ‘upgrading’.
This system benefits the whole industry, the customer not so much.
Keith

The dealer could also recommend something like active Grimm Audio's flagship at £30k, and with some added digital boxes and subs this can go well over £50k.

 

[Purité Audio]

Grimm don’t have a representative now in the U.K. retailers don’t like active designs , sell a pair of speakers and never see the customer again.
Keith

 

[srrxr71]

It's passive aggressive

So is the title of this whole thread.

The dealer could also recommend something like active Grimm Audio's flagship at £30k, and with some added digital boxes and subs this can go well over £50k.

It’s pro audio. Consumer audiophile dealers won’t bother.

 

[Liya]

So is the title of this whole thread.

It’s pro audio. Consumer audiophile dealers won’t bother.

Grimm don’t have a representative now in the U.K. retailers don’t like active designs , sell a pair of speakers and never see the customer again.
Keith

Grimm is sold in the UK only thru hifi dealers. I also heard them at UK hifi shows.

link

edit, in fact there are two UK pro dealers and 5 hifi dealers.

 

[srrxr71]

Grimm is sold in the UK only thru hifi dealers. I also heard them at UK hifi shows.

link

edit, in fact there are two UK pro dealers and 5 hifi dealers.

In USA my pro dealer has them. I don’t know if any hifi dealer has them.

Edit: yes some hifi dealers stock them here too.

 

[Pearljam5000]

$26K for an 8 inch 2-Way?
Yeah, no thanks .

 

[MKR]

$26K for an 8 inch 2-Way?
Yeah, no thanks .View attachment 334757

With ya on the Grimms @Pearljam5000 … I am sure they sound good, but I can think of many more other designs for around $30k with much more bang for the buck.

 

[Purité Audio]

Grimm is sold in the UK only thru hifi dealers. I also heard them at UK hifi shows.

link

edit, in fact there are two UK pro dealers and 5 hifi dealers.

Sound Design Distribution only distributes their MU1 streamer thing , he used to say that stocking Grimm speakers would clash with his stocking Kii, you can just contact Guido and he might bring a pair over he has in the past.
The LS1s are pretty decent but not £45k decent.
Keith

 

[Purité Audio]

Grimm is sold in the UK only thru hifi dealers. I also heard them at UK hifi shows.

link

edit, in fact there are two UK pro dealers and 5 hifi dealers.

And just looking at the two ‘pro’ dealers KMR and ‘ASAP’ they only stock Grimm’s clocks and cables.
Keith

 

[JustJones]

$26K for an 8 inch 2-Way?
Yeah, no thanks .View attachment 334757

You forgot the SB1 subwoofer modules $12,750

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[YSDR]

$26K for an 8 inch 2-Way?
Yeah, no thanks .View attachment 334757

And with off-the-shelf drivers from SEAS. Not that they are bad but still...

 

[Liya]

The LS1s are pretty decent but not £45k decent.

Doesn't matter. The key is to satisfy wealthy customers.

 

[Purité Audio]

A dealer still wouldn’t be interested , buy the Grimms and there is nothing else to sell , show the customer a pair of Magicos that’s £45k for the speakers alone plus the pre amp, power amp, dac, cables it’s a pay day and then six months later you can suggest this brand new ‘x’ which offers ‘significant improvements’ even if it almost certainly won’t.
Actual sound quality is of little consequence.
Keith

 

[dfuller]

The pro dealers tend to be much more active friendly because they've been a thing in that space for decades. In fact there are far fewer passive pro speakers than active because of all the inherent advantages.