watchnerd
Grand Contributor
You can do all that in an hour? Damn, I'm a slacker.
If it's a steak and sides, yes.
Spaghetti carbonara, yes.
Paella? No.
You can do all that in an hour? Damn, I'm a slacker.
Because many of that manufacturer's products do nothing, and it's important to make sure that prospective buyers know that.
Exactly.
And when someone's seeking recommendations on this website, others may be following the discussion seeking to learn from it themselves.
And isn't that a major reason why people come here to seek purchase advice recommendations? To get the best performance value for the money?
You have a level of outrage that I don't share.
But if that gives you a sense of purpose, have at it.
Personally, I've only got so many hours in the day.
There are so many things I'd rather focus on in my own life -- educating myself, spending time with friends and family, exercising, training for competition, eating right, my investments, enjoying nature, environmental cleanup, rescuing animals, hunting, volunteering at the symphony, playing my bass, working my land, chopping wood for the winter.
Do I want to spend an hour arguing with PS Audio fans about why they're deluded?
Or would i rather, in that same hour, chop some wood, make a fire in the fireplace, put on some music, and make a nice meal?
Then why are you even participating in this discussion?
Interesting concordance here.It is both more than that and is that at the same time.
The second definition you have given is a very modern metaphorical usage, where a thing is being described as like a religion. At the same time, it's usage is usually attributed by an outsider to a group in a derogatory way who typically would not themselves describe it as a religion.
So it's not useful at all for talking about religion versus tribalism in any way that allows one to examine the differences between how a group maybe exhibit tribalistic behaviors versus how their culture surrounding the thing is a religion. It's only useful in a soundbite kind of a way that indicates fanaticism. In which case, to be more precise about what one means, one should probably stick with the term fanaticism.
rescuing animals, hunting,
Are you suggesting I don't have a right to participate in this discussion unless my motives are explained to you?
Obviously not. I asked what the exigency was for your participation, based on the fact that you don't care what people buy?
But I could see how you might want to deflect from answering.
Why participate?
Because I think some of the dog piling masquerades as consumer activism, when it's really just nastiness for the usual ugly reasons.
And I don't like belonging to communities that encourage nastiness via group dynamics.
That's not to say that everyone who advocates for consumers is being nasty.
But some people just like to fight....and will find a rationale or excuse to justify it.
Ok. I agree that some of the dogpiling is over the top and unnecessary.
But I don't think it's "just nastiness for the usual ugly reasons." I'm sure a lot of it comes from disgust with manufacturers and their advertisers who practice deception in the marketing of audio products.
I guess since you don't see a problem with that, it would be hard to empathize with how others feel.
Educating those who want to give up the fantasy is great.
But I don't think brow-beating people, ridiculing them, assuming they're stupid, or foolish, advances the case.
I agree but don't think you will get dogpiled for saying you like tubes as long as you don't claim some superior sound reproduction characteristic.Why just fantasy, if someone wants that 0.5% second harmonic who cares move on?
Why just fantasy, if someone wants that 0.5% second harmonic who cares move on?
But I don't think brow-beating people, ridiculing them, assuming they're stupid, or foolish, advances the case.
It's not a matter of lack of empathy.
Nor some kind of tactic approval of the behavior of the manufacturers.
But nothing has changed after decades.
My attitude now is a recognition that this, is in fact, the way the world is -- a substantial chunk of people like believing in fantasy.
And if that brings them happiness, I can accept that.
Educating those who want to give up the fantasy is great.
I'm surprised by this. I would have thought all regular members here on ASR would recognize that Amir's and other community members' efforts have initiated change. I would say that there is plenty of evidence this is happening, but that seems a topic for another discussion.
Not really, the OP concerns yet another Jim Austin piece reacting to The Rise Of The Objectivists! [organ stab], of which this forum is obviously a part of.
Thus the lede.