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Got this urgent email message from Outlaw Audio today

You've probably heard the news about the tariff increases.​



For that reason, we're proactively reaching out so that you have our take on the situation. Economists estimate these changes will cost the average US consumer thousands of dollars per year and we're no exception.



Things are still very fluid, so we have held off on price increases, but unfortunately they are a looming reality. It is a very real possibility that when our next shipment of multi-channel amps and stereo receivers arrive, the pricing will increase by hundreds of dollars per unit.
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Yep. I'm very glad I got my new system built out before all this.
 
yeah i'd mean you'd have to live under a rock or north korea to not know

apple flew in multiple full cargo airliners pro maxxed out with product just so they have enough stock for the next coming months

supposedly china is getting 104% tariffs on everything so buy all your crap now

with inflation the way it is the dollar is getting less and less valuable

you may as well buy stuff now

sadly the rest of the world hoped this is localised to the US but this has the propensity to spill out
 
:D All taxes are BAD!!! :D

Personally, I'm not that worried. Most of my expenses are rent, insurance, utilities, and food. Some food (maybe a lot) is imported, but not from China. My Honda is paid-off but it was made in the U.S. anyway (perhaps with some imported parts).

You could double the cost of all the imported stuff I buy and it would be a bummer but it wouldn't kill me.

I'm more concerned with what's happening to my investments but that will probably settle-down with some winners and some losers.

...Too bad we can't go back to the time when the whole U.S. government was funded from tariffs and there were no income or sales taxes. :p
 
My dealer told me that we must expect a 10% up here in EU even for our own products.
As things don't look good for electronics, I just did a good order at Mouser (it's of the few I trust for genuine stuff) that hopefully will last for some time doing my silly DIY stuff.
 
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My dealer told me that we must expect a 10% up here in EU even for our own products.
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unintended consequences

if you are in the EU then prices may go up even if there are no Chinese components inside and the EU and China have no beef (so to speak)

just the mass economic global uncertainty

where I am we still have a tariff on certain imported cars even though we have no local car industry

the government sees this as 'free real estate'

something the US has to look forward too in the future
 
Couldn't agree more to buy now, if there is something you want. Even products made in your home countries will likely rise due to increase in prices down the line. (Think truck parts made in china. Especially if you are in the USA.) The cost increases for every company to function will be directly coming out of the pockets of the consumer.
 
Besides ... Any non U.S. resident contributing to this thread may want to quickly calculate how an ASR two-week ban will turn out to be with a reciprocal tariff added to it, har har!
 
I’m going to copy and paste a statement made by an audio manufacturer, which appeared in a Steve Hoffman Forums thread. She’s clearly frustrated, so some might choose to ignore some of the political jibes, but I think it gives a picture of what many audio manufactures will be going through. And this was BEFORE the newer massive tariff raise going into action tonight!

Manley Laboratories, apparently posted on Facebook:


From Eve Anna Manley on FB


"I wrote this for another person's discussion and it's too important not to post for my peeps to digest (repost as standalone post): ```` Chinese import tariff on American electronics (which I export TO China) has been 10%.

Now, in response to Trump's nonsense calculations PRC have replied with an additional 34% matching retaliation tariff bringing the new rate to 44%.
This will wreck havoc on my chinese distributors and decrease future sales of my product into China.The other portion of the equation is the increased cost of the parts that I import FROM other countries are now going to be (arbitrarily tariffed) higher. Like I explained elsewhere it is not all the time that the 3-pronged equation of price-quality-speed works in favor of USA local suppliers, and some components are just NOT available locally at all.
So I will be forced to raise my prices, and then my importers in China have to pay more tariffs on their end, and my sales will die there as the cost goes up probably 50% by the end of the day, in China.
Chinese importers can simply not import my product in the future and instead import European products with whom they have no Trade War. See? I get ****ed by Trump's Trade War. China is a major market for my company and everything I do has been HELPING to balance the trade deficit USA vs China to date (if that is what you obsess about). After this tariff war, no longer. It is madness. And don't tell me "oh just a little pain for little awhile" while I figure out how not to lay off American employees who have worked for me for decades.... I don't know what you do for a living, but I'm relaying to you real data based on decades of experience building audio gear in So Cal and exporting this **** worldwide, not parroting some news entertainment talking heads on TV.... Discuss. Like adults. With facts."
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Count Arthur said:
How many op-amps, capacitors, resistors, diodes, DACs, transistors, etc., are made in the US?
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A few, mostly quality and precision oriented.
Like some yummy Caddock resistors for example (they don't come cheap though, I laugh when Mouser sends them to me in like-jewelry little boxes, I think of ASR)

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I honestly don't care what happens to prices on new stuff we don't actually need. HiFi has always been well into discretionary spending, unnecessary, and everyone has more than enough lying around in various forms to keep them going indefinitely even if manufacture and retail sale stopped tomorrow or prices went stratospheric.

Stop buying new stuff. And chit you don't need. Fix things that break. Buy quality in the first place, and preferably from brands who produce and employ in your own countries and keep a stock of parts and support. All the same things I've been saying for decades, but now it is even more important.
 
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I honestly don't care what happens to prices on new stuff we don't actually need. HiFi has always been well into discretionary spending, unnecessary, and everyone has more than enough lying around in various forms to keep them going indefinitely even if manufacture and retail sale stopped tomorrow or prices went stratospheric.

Stop buying new stuff. And chit you don't need. Fix things that break. Buy quality in the first place, and preferably from brands who produce and employ in your own countries and keep a stock of parts and support. All the same things I've been saying for decades, but now it is even more important.
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* username checks out*

:)
 
I really feel bad for US hi-end companies ... China is a big market for most of them. China will pass on US made hi-end gear and buy european / japaneese instead.
 
elberoth said:
I really feel bad for US hi-end companies ... China is a big market for most of them. China will pass on US made hi-end gear and buy european / japaneese instead.
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It makes me wonder what will happen to Klipsch in particular. They got bought out by gentex and it seems like they already had some deals to use their speakers in foreign cars.
 
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