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David Gordon (Audio Research) has posted this on FB:

China is our largest distributor whose business cannot be replaced. And, as much as we would like to use all American-made parts, we both know that is impossible because many are simply not manufactured in the US.

This tariff war will put many US companies at risk of going out of business.

Audio Research might consider setting up temporary/additional contract manufacturing in China. Why not if they (China) are their largest market. Prices could go down for Chinese customers or they could divert the excess profits to offsetting the tariffs they pay on imported components to the US.
 
Audio Research might consider setting up temporary/additional contract manufacturing in China. Why not if they (China) are their largest market. Prices could go down for Chinese customers or they could divert the excess profits to offsetting the tariffs they pay on imported components to the US.
Problem is that Chinese Hi end market has the same mentality with the western one, they want US, Japan and EU made stuff following the known stories and myths.
That's what this market is about, tradition and stories.
 
Audio Research might consider setting up temporary/additional contract manufacturing in China. Why not if they (China) are their largest market. Prices could go down for Chinese customers or they could divert the excess profits to offsetting the tariffs they pay on imported components to the US.
Would they not then have tax obligations in both countries? Would they have to go the Cayman islands route and forgo us manufacturing completely to avoid US taxes? This is messy.
 
Problem is that Chinese Hi end market has the same mentality with the western one, they want US, Japan and EU made stuff following the known stories and myths.
That's what this market is about, tradition and stories.

I reckon it'd be an easy sell. SOTA brand new facilities, home grown highly skilled factory workers producing the same or better quality, employing their own compatriots and saving money. "Designed in the USA- made in China for the Chinese market" Make that product CDM (Chinese Domestic Market) only. Sell them the IP only. License manufacturing.

There's opportunity in all this mess.
 
We have embraced the free market for the last 50 years.
And became the wealthiest (GDP) nation in the world. We did it by doing what we do great while other countries did what they do well.
 
I reckon it'd be an easy sell. SOTA brand new facilities, home grown highly skilled factory workers producing the same or better quality, employing their own compatriots and saving money. "Designed in the USA- made in China for the Chinese market" Make that product CDM (Chinese Domestic Market) only. Sell them the IP only. License manufacturing.

There's opportunity in all this mess.
In theory, the market in China is very large but cash poor as for the average purchaser that is why they sell and invest abroad. IP is completely ignored. My small medical device startup was purchased by Chinese company and they refused to buy parts from outside their boarders and the services and goods they needed were decades ahead of what they could produce, in medical. Electronics is mature and stable.
 
And became the wealthiest (GDP) nation in the world. We did it by doing what we do great while other countries did what they do well.
Comparative Advantage is antithetical to populism.
 
Audio Research might consider setting up temporary/additional contract manufacturing in China.
So we now export even more jobs because of the tariff???
 
And became the wealthiest (GDP) nation in the world. We did it by doing what we do great while other countries did what they do well.
Agree so why punish them by locking them out of our markets. Again I'm talking about democratic countries and neighbors.
 
So we now export even more jobs because of the tariff???
Depends on the industry. For the one I work in at the moment (aside from my academic stuff), we'll almost assuredly add domestic jobs, depending on how the tariffs actually end up.
 
And became the wealthiest (GDP) nation in the world. We did it by doing what we do great while other countries did what they do well.
One thing that we did 'great' for the recent past is buying things from each other. Things that are made in other countries. Now those countries are selling much of that stuff directly to us (and bypassing any existing tariffs). And we are seeing stores that largely sold cheap import products struggling, like Party City, and the dollar stores; because people can easily buy much of the same stuff direct now. The US middlemen and all their employees are cut out of the transaction now.

A key problem is there are fewer and fewer things that we will be 'great' at. Especially when other countries have requirements that our companies partner with them, manufacture there and share our technology to avoid their sizeable tariffs. Our companies are too willing to sell out their future in exchange for sales today.

For example we have solar cell manufacturing and a quote (and a tariff) from a prior president:
As recently as 2010, a small town in central Michigan was the world’s biggest producer of solar polysilicon. Nowadays, the US is barely in the game, and more than 90% of the total comes from China. That country’s clean-technology exports “threaten to significantly harm American workers, businesses and communities,” President Joe Biden said May 14, announcing 50% tariffs on Chinese solar cells.
 
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China is threatening to withhold access to rare earth minerals.
Time to wake the F up, US. ;)

- Rich
 
Agree so why punish them by locking them out of our markets. Again I'm talking about democratic countries and neighbors.
The shotgun approach doesn't seem like the right choice. There was a good video from CBC talking about their dairy tariffs and how they work to protect their dairy industry. It would seem logical to pick currently viable industries and put measures in place to protect them.
 
Wonder what this will do to the second hand market. I assume it will increase as well?
 
I'm waiting to see what happens when someone decides that foreign air is flowing into the USA, displacing American air. :D
Pollution in some countries and its affect on neighboring countries and the globe would be another thread entirely.
 
A key problem is there are fewer and fewer things that we will be 'great' at.
Again this hasn't happened for decades where the same threat/argument existed.

But let's say that is true. I am supposed to be paying an indirect tax to keep those jobs alive in the form of tariffs on everything from food to underwear? Is there no job we should let go? Should we go back to having factories full of women sewing garments? Or try to grow our own coffee beans so that we don't "enrich" Madagascar?

If this is such a good idea, why don't we apply it to every state in US? Surely someone in California would want their job protected against someone in Nevada. No?
 
Wonder what this will do to the second hand market. I assume it will increase as well?
Sure. There is already talk that used car prices are going to go back up. I guess we didn't have enough fun during Covid when that happened.
 
China is threatening to withhold access to rare earth minerals.
Time to wake the F up, US. ;)

- Rich
That is the ultimate avalanche, as environmental laws has to be scrapped for (the ones US has) to be mined.
My crystal ball sees riots in the streets.
 
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