The Waxwing Thread

[desutruction]

I have the Waxwing and I'm very happy with it!

 

[LewisWaddo]

I’ve moved over to the Waxwing from the Puffin. Would love to see some measurements as to how it performs. To my ear it’s the same as the Puffin, but with the better form factor and convenience of remote operation. I’m particularly interested in the PEQ filter. If anyone has a resource for its implementation and settings, I would be very grateful. I hear it can remove baked in mains hum from records. I have a Detroit Cobras record that has terrible AC hum, and would like to get rid of it!

 

[Middle Earth]

I’ve moved over to the Waxwing from the Puffin. Would love to see some measurements as to how it performs. To my ear it’s the same as the Puffin, but with the better form factor and convenience of remote operation. I’m particularly interested in the PEQ filter. If anyone has a resource for its implementation and settings, I would be very grateful. I hear it can remove baked in mains hum from records. I have a Detroit Cobras record that has terrible AC hum, and would like to get rid of it!

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[jhaider]

It caught me off guard how small it is.

Same. It might even be smaller than a miniDSP 2x4HD. I see that as a good thing.

 

[Middle Earth]

Same. It might even be smaller than a miniDSP 2x4HD. I see that as a good thing.

It is sublime in its design and simplicity

 

[dtaylo1066]

Been contemplating one as only a scant few DACs or Streamers have an analog in. I am no vinyl purist so I will gladly take the DSP features.

 

[mike70]

Anybody knows about the internal ADC in this preamp?

 

[Bob from Florida]

Anybody knows about the internal ADC in this preamp?

You could ask Shannon Parks.

Digital output is selectable - 24 bits by 48 or 96 KHZ

 

[desutruction]

Here it is on top of a miniDSP Flex and pushed way back. It's very compact.

 

[Brian Hall]

Is the purpose of this device to make vinyl LPs sound more like CDs? If so, I will consider getting one.

 

[Bob from Florida]

Is the purpose of this device to make vinyl LPs sound more like CDs? If so, I will consider getting one.

I don't think that is the idea. What you get is a very accurate RIAA with the ability to fine tune things to your taste if you want. Gives you record ripping capability along with a host of other functions. Download the app and look at what you get.

 

[mmi]

This looks amazing! What is the deal with ripping records, could I ditch my audio interface and still capture at 24 bit 44.1?

I’d assume the ADC in this is going to be more than good enough. For comparison right now I have a Behringer 202HD and NAD PP2e and hate all the cables.

 

[Bob from Florida]

This looks amazing! What is the deal with ripping records, could I ditch my audio interface and still capture at 24 bit 44.1?

I’d assume the ADC in this is going to be more than good enough. For comparison right now I have a Behringer 202HD and NAD PP2e and hate all the cables.

I have not got around to ripping yet. You will need one of these to convert optical to USB.

Hifime SPDIF Optical to USB converter, record DAT/minidisc to computer

The UR23 accepts SPDIF optical sources and transfer this to USB. Suitable to record DAT tapes, minidisc or other digital source to a computer.

hifimediy.com

I have one - have not tried it yet, but it is on my list of things to do. Sample rate outputs of the Waxwing are 24 bit at 48 KHZ or 96 KHZ. I use 24/96 into my Schiit and am completely satisfied by ear. I don't know which resolution for recording I'll use - obviously save some storage at 48 KHZ. For MP3 files - to use in the car - I use dbPoweramp to convert WAV to MP3 at 320 bitrate with great results.

 

[mike70]

I have not got around to ripping yet. You will need one of these to convert optical to USB.

Hifime SPDIF Optical to USB converter, record DAT/minidisc to computer

The UR23 accepts SPDIF optical sources and transfer this to USB. Suitable to record DAT tapes, minidisc or other digital source to a computer.

hifimediy.com

I have one - have not tried it yet, but it is on my list of things to do. Sample rate outputs of the Waxwing are 24 bit at 48 KHZ or 96 KHZ. I use 24/96 into my Schiit and am completely satisfied by ear. I don't know which resolution for recording I'll use - obviously save some storage at 48 KHZ. For MP3 files - to use in the car - I use dbPoweramp to convert WAV to MP3 at 320 bitrate with great results.

Take some online ABX tests between red book resolution and hires or even MP3 320 and red book ... very few people finds a difference.

Is your audio system really ready for lossless?

Do an ABX test in your browser, and see if you can tell the difference between lossless and lossy audio

abx.digitalfeed.net

It seems that after one century Nyquist/Shannon are right and red book is all you need to capture audio signals ... and that psychoacoustics aspects taken in mp3 algorithm really works also.

 

[BDWoody]

Is the purpose of this device to make vinyl LPs sound more like CDs? If so, I will consider getting one.

Only in the sense that it can reduce a good bit of the snap crackle pop inherent to the medium (if you turn that setting on), but otherwise I find my Puffin just makes for a very good Phono-Pre. I'd definitely get another of Shannon Parks products if I needed another one.

 

[mmi]

From my understanding the reason to rip at eg 24/96 would be more accurate processing like click removal. I’d be exporting to AAC redbook.

I am in the middle of trying to figure out rips. I am set on using Acon Digital Acoustica Standard for processing, it’s click and crackle removal is literally magical to my ears especially considering the price.

The hurdle I have run into is I bought a Behringer UMC 202HD for this, and at line level my test rips are clipping pretty heavily. I could use the pad buttons but the input gain knobs are extremely sensitive and impossible to tell if they are aligned.

I was looking to get a slightly better interface but I’d prefer to spend the money on the Waxwing if it work well, and then I could ditch both the interface and my NAD PP2e phono stage.

 

[Bob from Florida]

Take some online ABX tests between red book resolution and hires or even MP3 320 and red book ... very few people finds a difference.

Is your audio system really ready for lossless?

Do an ABX test in your browser, and see if you can tell the difference between lossless and lossy audio

abx.digitalfeed.net

It seems that after one century Nyquist/Shannon are right and red book is all you need to capture audio signals ... and that psychoacoustics aspects taken in mp3 algorithm really works also.

Please do not assume that I am saying 96 KHZ is needed, because I did not say that. I only use the 96 KHZ into the Schiit Modius because it is available and there are no storage penalties to doing it. When it comes to actual file storage, I will reassess which sample rate to use. I am under no illusions as to what sample rates are sufficient. After all, I have been enjoying Red Book for a long time without complaint - not counting shiitty mastering jobs on some recordings.

 

[Bob from Florida]

From my understanding the reason to rip at eg 24/96 would be more accurate processing like click removal. I’d be exporting to AAC redbook.

I am in the middle of trying to figure out rips. I am set on using Acon Digital Acoustica Standard for processing, it’s click and crackle removal is literally magical to my ears especially considering the price.

The hurdle I have run into is I bought a Behringer UMC 202HD for this, and at line level my test rips are clipping pretty heavily. I could use the pad buttons but the input gain knobs are extremely sensitive and impossible to tell if they are aligned.

I was looking to get a slightly better interface but I’d prefer to spend the money on the Waxwing if it work well, and then I could ditch both the interface and my NAD PP2e phono stage.

I don't think you will have any clipping issues with the Waxwing. The ADC input readings gives peak and average readings. It remembers these numbers and updates them as they change until you reset them. In practical terms, you can see the highest peak level since your last reset. Because you can fine tune your gain in 1 db increments, you can completely avoid clipping. At current gains I set, the ADC peak inputs run around -14 db for the average record. This gives me plenty of wiggle room and levels can be normalized later after ripping if needed.

 

[mmi]

At current gains I set, the ADC peak inputs run around -14 db for the average record.

Thanks for the info! Sorry for getting off topic but maybe you could help me.

Line is slightly too hot for whatever reason. There are pad buttons on the inputs, if I engage them this drops the inputs to around -20dB average with -16dB peaks. With nothing playing input registers about -86dB. If I record at this level and normalise everything sounds great to me.

I am confused by a few things however. Firstly, is normalising benign in that nothing is lost or gained just kind of scaled? Secondly, wouldn’t it be better to record closer 0dB to avoid the noise floor? Without understanding this well enough the recordings at -20dB just look and sound so soft before changing their volume.

 

[Bob from Florida]

Thanks for the info! Sorry for getting off topic but maybe you could help me.

Line is slightly too hot for whatever reason. There are pad buttons on the inputs, if I engage them this drops the inputs to around -20dB average with -16dB peaks. With nothing playing input registers about -86dB. If I record at this level and normalise everything sounds great to me.

I am confused by a few things however. Firstly, is normalising benign in that nothing is lost or gained just kind of scaled? Secondly, wouldn’t it be better to record closer 0dB to avoid the noise floor? Without understanding this well enough the recordings at -20dB just look and sound so soft before changing their volume.

My understanding is ADC’s behave a bit differently than reel to reels and the cassettes decks I used to record LP’s to for car playback. If you exceed 0 db on tape you can go a bit higher without audible distortion. On the other hand, the ADC is not going to react well to exceeding 0 db. So, best to stay away from 0 db and normalize if you need it louder without cranking the volume control. I wouldn’t expect normalizing the recording to make any difference as long as you keep the dynamic range the same. Don’t compress or expand during normalizing and all you should get is an initial volume difference.