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Subwoofer for music

Lsi

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Hi all
Need help for choosing subwoofer for 2 Chanel music.
My living room size is 4/3
My setup is ls50 meta speaker
Bluesound 2i source, gustard x16 dac
And topping pa7 plus as power.
Help me choose between svs 1000 pro
svs micro 3000 or mybe rel Tzero III Or somthing different
Thanks
 
Hi

THe SVS 1000 Pro is superior to the SVS Micro 3000. Frankly these are not that much different in size. Please run away from REL. Not worth the price..

Happy Holidays

Peace.
 
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thanks
So for you opinion svs 1000pro is better for music than micro 3000?
 
Subwoofers aren't 'for music' vs 'not for music'.

They're for low bass.
What you said is absolutely true, but (and you know this, I'm sure, but I'm just stating it for the newer folks), if a subwoofer is going to be used for home theater duty, you may end up with different recommendations since HT duty can place additional requirements for infrasonics and output levels that may not be as important for music listening.
 
I use The REL Tzero for low level listening in a kitchen with a pair of LSX and it would not really keep up if play just a tiny bit loud .

I bought the rel only for its footprint in that particular placement, so would not recommend in general.
 
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Yes. It is a better sub by any metrics.

Happy Holidays

Peace.
the SVS Customer Service
" I would recommend the 3000 Micro subwoofer, as it would have more mid-bass output than the SB-1000 Pro in a given space."
 
the SVS Customer Service
" I would recommend the 3000 Micro subwoofer, as it would have more mid-bass output than the SB-1000 Pro in a given space."
I'd dismiss this advice in a heartbeat.
They should be above that kind of sales pitch... The micro 3000 is about $900 whereas the SB-1000 Pro is about $600....
Falling asleep, perhaps later to show you the Frequency responses...

Happy holidays

Peace.
 
Customer service that recommends the more expensive product?

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Again, have you see my 'subwoofer comparison' spreadsheet? It literally has your answer.
 
Thanks you all for helping
Another question about connecting the sub, whare should I Conect the sub for best results
Bluesound 2! Or gustard x16 rca? Or topping pa7 plus?
 
Hi

THe SVS 1000 Pro is superior to the SVS Micro 3000. Frankly these are not that much different in size. Please run away from REL. Not worth the price..

Happy Holidays

Peace.
SVS 1000Pro has significantly more bass output, but it is also almost twice as big as SVS 3000Micro. Btw where I live both these subs cost the same.
 
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SVS 1000Pro has significantly more bass output, but it is also almost twice as big as SVS 3000Micro. Btw where I live both these subs cost the same.
Not sure it is "twice as big" but this gives you an idea of the respective sizes...
CompareSizes_SVS-1000_PRO_vs_3000_micro_1715117470.jpg



I'd go with the larger, better sub... Volumes are not that different ...

Peace.
 
Yes, that looks almost twice the size.

Little elementary school math, volume of the cuboid: V=a*b*c

V (SB-1000Pro) = 33 * 34.2 * 37.5 cm = 42 322cm^3
V (3000Micro) = 27.8 * 29.7 * 27.1 cm = 22 375 cm^3
 
ebay , 2nd hand JBL professional cinema , less than the prices of home dinky speakers that never seen the inside of actual pro cinema much less a dub stage ,

all need is 2nd hand ebay , behringer DCX 2496 , class d behringer NX3000D , and DCX you can easily adjust crossovers or add some PEQ filters , also add behringer FBQ 2496 with it daisy chained channel A to channel B , you'd have 80 bands of PEQ plus 9 PEQ on the DCX and if get more of same JBL model , can have 6 subs and do crossovers , time delay , phase and polarity , far , far , far , far cheaper than Rel or SVS or rtj jtr , come to JBL side its far better over here

JBL 4645 rare hard to find but often cheap
JBL 4645B
JBL 4645C

any of the above are often cheap as they are discontinued , get any of these , please then your be in JBL club , but not those home theatre subs overrated overpriced and basics of principles still remain the same , get it far cheap or go overboard expensive and don't listne to any of the insiders shills , they want little extra $$$ on the side in mail box
 
Are you joking or are you serious?
You are recommending 18inch sub to the guy who is deciding between 3000Micro and REL Tzero??? For somebody who lives in a smallish apartment (typical in Europe), where listening room serves multiple functions, size is a major concern. I helps with wife acceptance factor as well.
If you are listening at moderate levels in small/medium rooms, 3000Micro can provide more than enough bass.
 
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Are you joking or are you serious?
You are recommending 18inch sub to the guy who is deciding between 3000Micro and REL Tzero??? For somebody who lives in an smallish apartment (typical in Europe), where listening room serves multiple functions, size is a major concern. I helps with wife acceptance factor as well.
If you are listening at moderate levels in small/medium rooms, 3000Micro can provide more than enough bass.
yeah better than buying those svs at the silly high prices , plus DCX 2406 can adjust crossover made the sub sound smaller , never buy svs overrated overpriced never buy rel or any others when ebay is cheaper 2nd , never have one of those svs for those rubbish 4k near field atmos junk mixes , also get piioneer laserdisc player , hget some theatrical mixes
 
What you said is absolutely true, but (and you know this, I'm sure, but I'm just stating it for the newer folks), if a subwoofer is going to be used for home theater duty, you may end up with different recommendations since HT duty can place additional requirements for infrasonics and output levels that may not be as important for music listening.

Before you decide to go the "minimal" LF extension route, this may be of interest:

In the music studio our main monitors only go down to 35. That's enough for music, indeed.
But:
The room is big and optimized and almost flat.

In contrast my HT-living room, due to its smaller size, its almost squared shape, and for obvious reasons of not unlimited acoustic treatment possibilities, has a peak at 58 and a significant hole around the 80 area.
When I built my home setup, I was hugely surprised that a subwoofer going down to 30 was not enough for music once the 58/116 resonances were killed...

Boney M - Daddy Cool (Greatest Hits of all Times Remix Album), which I like, because it is extremely weak on the sub bass and probably only has >65 Hz PA kickbass. Sounds full enough in the studio, on PA in clubs, but revealed problems in my smaller room: ruthlessly, once the 58 roommode was killed, the kickbass became annoying. After kiling the 120 mode the mix had not enough body (1970s disco did often not even go down to 50).

After several subwoofer tests with many measurements, I decided for subs that slightly go down below 20!
The difference due to the LF extension from 30 to 20 is significant.
First it did not make any sense to me. How can the extension down to 20 have such a positive impact on the balance of the mix, if the mix does not contain significant LF at all? That's stupid, isn't it?

I can only speculate:
First a sub that honestly goes down to 20 is easily reproducing 25 or 30, but a sub that "only" goes down to 30 already has -3 dB @30. And 30 is already a region, where there might be a small amounts of sub bass being left in the mix, which the 20-sub is reproducing and may create that effect.

There might also by a kind psychoacoustic effect at work:
Just like the amount of treble influences our bass perception. Our hearing is not working like a mic or a spectrogram. (Gladly) it is possible to fool it. It allows music reproduction and to use shortcuts, or workarounds, if physical restrictions would not allow to apply the physically correct solution.

Long story short: LF extension has worked very well here. It is a great sounding solution for music, especially in rooms, where cancellations in the bass range are unavoidable. So instead of trying to chase big space PA-like kick bass in small rooms, which is very fatigueing, I think extending the very low end, is the way to go.

think about it: how long will you have the sub(s) if you are satisfied? 10 years? 20 years?
What is the price difference from a 30 Hz to a honest 20 Hz sub? How much is that per year?

And last but not least:
If you choose a setup that goes down to 20, and at some later time, if you notice the fatigueing effect of loud 80-150 Hz mixes in the too small room, you can reduce that range and bump the 20 range. But if your sub only goes down to 30, or even 35, then you cannot create this kind of "drop octave" effect.
 
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