Shootout between JBL M2 and Revel Salon 2

[watchnerd]

Two will usually work if you have flexibility in placement. Read Toole's book, Olive's paper, or the Welti paper on the Harman site (I usually suggest starting with the latter). I have four, and for most rooms IMO that is about the point of diminishing returns, but two is plenty for many (perhaps most) rooms while four may not be enough for really challenging rooms. One of the papers suggests three IIRC.

Given the wavelengths involved where the driver(s) point doesn't matter a whole lot.

IME/IMO/FWIWFM - Don (not a speaker designer)

Thanks, I'll check those out.

As for placement, I'm pretty much limited to the wall and corners behind the speakers, as there are either openings or obstructions (fireplace, sliding glass doors) elsewhere.

 

[amirm]

As for placement, I'm pretty much limited to the wall and corners behind the speakers, as there are either openings or obstructions (fireplace, sliding glass doors) elsewhere.

Here is an article for you: https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/subwoofer-low-frequency-optimization.15/

 

[Sal1950]

Congratulations and it’s great that your deal worked out well. There’s a pair of 708P’s on EBay atm. The seller is in NYC and has a Steep restocking policy. I wasn’t comfortable with dealing with them and opted to purchase from an authorized dealer.

Also, there’s a pair of M2’s with I-tech amps on sale for C$5600. Seems too good to be true. I contacted the seller and he replied immediately but failed to answer any of my questions. Here’s the link if anyone is interested. - but buyer beware...

http://stereotrading.com/ads/jbls-m2-master-reference-monitor-crown-i-tech-5000hd/

Priced each? Google JBL M2 and they are all over the internet at that pricing, with free shipping.

 

[Jaimo]

It looks like the price was for a pair of M2’s and the iTech amplifier. I contacted the seller but he stopped corresponding after his initial message. It does sound too good to be true.

 

[Sal1950]

It looks like the price was for a pair of M2’s and the iTech amplifier. I contacted the seller but he stopped corresponding after his initial message. It does sound too good to be true.

It's called "bait and switch".

 

[jtwrace]

It's called "bait and switch".

Have you heard them?

 

[Sal1950]

Have you heard them?

No, I haven't had the pleasure. Maybe A.J., the Suncoast Audio guys, etc; can get JBL to bring a pair to next years show. A.J. told me preliminary discussions are already underway for a greatly expanded show for next year! yippie.
I guess there's a lot of disposable income in the Tampa area.

 

[jtwrace]

No, I haven't had the pleasure. Maybe A.J., the Suncoast Audio guys, etc; can get JBL to bring a pair to next years show. A.J. told me preliminary discussions are already underway for a greatly expanded show for next year! yippie.
I guess there's a lot of disposable income in the Tampa area.

I could be wrong but I think we’re neighbors and I obviously own them.

 

[Sal1950]

I could be wrong but I think we’re neighbors and I obviously own them.

Yes it appears we a very close.

 

[jtwrace]

Yes it appears we a very close.

101A to be exact

 

[Sal1950]

101A to be exact

PM sent

 

[Ron Texas]

You guys in sunny Florida, I'm jealous. (OK, Houston isn't a freezer either.)

 

[RayDunzl]

You guys in sunny Florida, I'm jealous. (OK, Houston isn't a freezer either.)

I lived in The Woodlands for two years.

One of them included an ice storm.

The last "snow" here was 1977

They told eveyone to stay home on TV and Radio since by 6am the Police/Sheriff/State Patrol were already completely occupied by accidents on the Interstate bridges.

 

[Ron Texas]

I lived in The Woodlands for two years.
One of them included an ice storm.
The last "snow" here was 1977
They told eveyone to stay home on TV and Radio since by 6am the Police/Sheriff/State Patrol were already completely occupied by accidents on the Interstate bridges.

I never go to the Woodlands, it's too far away. I remember that ice storm. It was awful. The Woodlands is hot stuff now because Exxon moved up there.

 

[73hadd]

Apologies, I tried to do some searching on AVS but didn't find an answer.

What "version" and or date of manufacture were the Salon2s? I am interested in the Salon2 but it seems the Ultima2 version did not measure as well as Ultima version?:

https://pierreaubert.github.io/spinorama/index.html

 

[73hadd]

I think now that the error is that this page:

https://pierreaubert.github.io/spinorama/index.html

Lists Ultima Salon2 and Ultima2 Salon2 differently (which looks to just be an error), where this page:

https://speakerdata2034.blogspot.com/2019/03/spinorama-data-revel-ultima.html

Shows the same graphs as both being for Ultima2 Salon2, but from 2007 and 2017.

There is no real explanation for the measurement difference.

 

[localhost127]

My guess is that it could be about reflections - directional horn vs cone n dome. More reflections from the Salons, I assume?

how exactly does a cone n dome create "more reflections" vs that of a directional horn. spectral content of the reflection can differ absolutely (based on polar response of louspeaker) - but what mechanism is inducing additional reflections? how does that concept work exactly?

 

[DonH56]

The room...

 

[Soniclife]

how exactly does a cone n dome create "more reflections" vs that of a directional horn

There is a clue in your question. The cones and domes have a much wider dispersion, so more sound hits the walls.

 

[localhost127]

There is a clue in your question. The cones and domes have a much wider dispersion, so more sound hits the walls.

i'm sorry - i fail understand how modification of the spectral content of an off-axis reflection from one loudspeaker to another (due to a polar response yielding wider dispersion) is an indication that "more reflections" have been created. what is the mechanism here that is creating more physical, indirect sparse/specular reflections?