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Review and Measurements of Dynaco ST 70

I just built up a Bob Latino ST-70. I live in Seattle and wouldn't have to worry about shipping if Amirm would be interested in testing it. New here so not sure how that works.

@amirm - if you are up to testing a variation of the ST70, Westy is your man...The much lauded Bob Latino version introduces a modified driver circuit that supposedly improves the original ST70 performance.
I got it! Let the solder flow...But not too much!

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I can’t think of a better way to spend a cold winters night...
 
That's a fabulous FR (the good channel) for a 60+ year old tube amp into 4 ohms IMO. Must be some really good OPT TXFs.

A bit of work on the filtering, regulation and tightening up the tolerances to bring the channel balance back into line and it'd be a fun project.
I have a Dynakit ST-35 with the original transformers. It has been in use (heavy use from 1967 until 1983, as it was the only power amp in the family home) for the past 54 years, with updated (x2) boards and tubes. Remarkable.
 
Finished it. Love the sound with Magnapan MMGs or Klipsch RP

That's a very pretty build! The meters are a delightful touch.
 
Meters are DC 0-1v for bias adjustment. Replaced a Yamaha M45. This amp sounds do much better. Much more "mellow" without the strident highs the SS amp had in my listening room. Using a Schiit Saga preamp and Bluesound Node2i for source. Could not be more pleassed with my current system.
 
Finished it. Love the sound with Magnapan MMGs or Klipsch RP
Wow, what a great looking build, a major thumbs up.
What is the knob for, an input level control or something else?
 
I wonder how it compares to McIntosh MC275. I searched through the forum and didn’t find anything regarding McIntosh Tube amp.
 
I wonder how it compares to McIntosh MC275. I searched through the forum and didn’t find anything regarding McIntosh Tube amp.
Objective measurements or subjective listening impressions?
 
Objective measurements or subjective listening impressions?
McIntosh lists 0.25% 1K THD for the latest MC275. I also saw ElPaso measured 0.2% THD with one of old version in his YouTube video, which is a little shy of 60db. Also from the MC275 specs page, the s/n ratio is listed as 105db. This is a quite achievement for a tube amp.
 
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McIntosh lists 0.25% 1K THD for the latest MC275. I also saw ElPaso measured 0.2% THD with one of old version in his YouTube video, which is a little shy of 60db. Also from the MC275 specs page, the s/n ratio is listed as 105db. This is a quite achievement for a tube amp.
The Macs had a clever and unique circuit which made them less load dependent and lower distortion because of the reduction in leakage inductance effects. Great overload recovery as well.

Edit: wrong link fixed.

Excellent article about it here.
 
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I wonder how it compares to McIntosh MC275. I searched through the forum and didn’t find anything regarding McIntosh Tube amp.
I was wondering the same thing.

Probably too expensive for someone to throw away that kind of money for the benefit of audio science.

Even just shipping such heavy units back and forth to someone with measuring equipment would cost a pretty penny.

I'm sure there are many owners of McIntosh tube amps, but they are not interested in any measurements, and are not members of this site.
 
Even just shipping such heavy units back and forth to someone with measuring equipment would cost a pretty penny.
When I'm done my restoration of some MI-75s, I'll show the measurements.
 
Stereophile measured the MC275 here:

 
I went through a phase about 15 to 20 years ago where I rebuilt a bunch of Dynaco gear. You could still buy used originals fairly cheaply at that point (especially if not working) and I enjoyed the benchwork. Here is my favorite ST-70 -- I disassembled it down to the chrome steel case and polished that then painted the transformer casings before starting the rebuild. process. The driver board was replaced with one from Triode Electronics, power cap was replaced and I used 6L6GCs as output tubes. Sound was a bit gutsier than the more refined EL34s but it was a fun amp. This is the I most regret selling because it turned out pretty good looking and I just like tubes. However, from a practical standpoint, I don't have a good place to use it in any of my current systems, and the new stuff I have sounds better. Life moves on....

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I went through a phase about 15 to 20 years ago where I rebuilt a bunch of Dynaco gear. You could still buy used originals fairly cheaply at that point (especially if not working) and I enjoyed the benchwork. Here is my favorite ST-70 -- I disassembled it down to the chrome steel case and polished that then painted the transformer casings before starting the rebuild. process. The driver board was replaced with one from Triode Electronics, power cap was replaced and I used 6L6GCs as output tubes. Sound was a bit gutsier than the more refined EL34s but it was a fun amp. This is the I most regret selling because it turned out pretty good looking and I just like tubes. However, from a practical standpoint, I don't have a good place to use it in any of my current systems, and the new stuff I have sounds better. Life moves on....
Sweet, I had kept an all original ST70 around for many years (just because). LOL
The only thing not orginal were the bottom panel and of course the tubes, it ran great.
When you have the room to keep them around, the ole school toys are fun to own and play with.
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This is a review and detailed measurements of the vintage Dynakit Dynaco Stereo 70. It is on kind loan from a member who bought it used online and repaired it. Previous owner hand upgraded it but could not get it working.

Given that it is 60 years old, one can forgive the rust and dust:


Some of the online samples I have seen are a lot more crusty.

The unit I received came from matched pairs of tubes from Apex. While each pair had the same parameters, the ones for each channel varied quite a bit. As you will see, this is reflected in the measurements.

This unit has an upgraded driver board:


There is a single bias control for each pair of tubes which is not optimal. I went ahead and adjusted both for 1.56 volts as stated in the manual.

I am not sure what output transformer tap is used. I tested it as is with my 4 ohm load. Hopefully the owner will advise what it is wired for (didn't want to open the bottom).

Despite having just a handful of tubes, the unit generates good bit of heat.

The configuration is push-pull output with a power rating of 35 watts.

Amplifier Measurements
As usual, I start with my dashboard with the input voltage adjusted to get 5 watts of output:
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As we see there is 8 dB difference in distortion and noise between channels. FFT shows a jungle of spurious tones mostly caused by the high mains frequencies. Ultimately though, the distortion products set the SINAD (signal over noise and distortion) with second harmonic around -58 dB and third at -61 dB (for channel 2).

Averaging the SINAD for two channels we get 59 dB. I took the time to update my power amplifier SINAD table now that we have good bit of data:
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Kind of shameful how bad transistor designs have become to leave such a small gap between them on the right and the Dynaco ST-70.

Frequency response is good for the audible band:
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The mismatch between channels shows up here too. The channel in red has much steeper drop at both extremes.

Intermodulation distortion is initially dominated by the mains noise until distortion sets in:
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The ST-70 is rated at 1.3 volts for rated power but I found that it severely distorted there. So much so that I could hear the transformer audibly singing the input tone. :) So for above testing I kept the max input voltage at 1 volt or it would skyrocket in distortion.

We see that effect in power versus THD+N:
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We have internal distortion causes prior to severe clipping at 31 watts. I am not sure how useful the power is between 10 and 31 watts though with that rising distortion. We are talking 1.3% distortion+noise at rated power.

Signal to noise ratio is specified at 90 dB and we miss that by some margin:

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This tells me that the mains hum and noise is aggravated by the power drawn from the power supply. Maybe better power supply filtering is in order?

Conclusions
I hope to perform some listening tests on the ST-70. For now, I say it is not that bad considering what we have in front of us. Wonder how good it can be made with the type of instrumentation I have now versus what used to be available and what people typically use. Cleary we can push the weak channel to be as good as the other as a minimum.

I love the simplicity of tube amps like this. There is just so little to them. If I were less busy, I wouldn't mind playing with one to get it to optimal performance.

Anyway, it doesn't make sense for me to give or not give recommendation.

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Amir, great review, many thanks. I'm interested in adding this tube amplifier to my system, especially to listen to older recordings (jazz, blues, country) from the 40s-mid-60s, before the era of SS. This comes with a matching preamp (PAS-3, I believe). I'm kind of new here, and not at all technically savvy, so my question may be an ignorant one, but here goes: would you have to measure the PAS 3, too, to get a sense of how it and the ST 70 would perform in the listening environment? Thank you.
 
Amir, great review, many thanks. I'm interested in adding this tube amplifier to my system, especially to listen to older recordings (jazz, blues, country) from the 40s-mid-60s, before the era of SS. This comes with a matching preamp (PAS-3, I believe). I'm kind of new here, and not at all technically savvy, so my question may be an ignorant one, but here goes: would you have to measure the PAS 3, too, to get a sense of how it and the ST 70 would perform in the listening environment? Thank you.
https://www.usaudiomart.com/search.php?keywords=dynaco FYI
 
Amir, great review, many thanks. I'm interested in adding this tube amplifier to my system, especially to listen to older recordings (jazz, blues, country) from the 40s-mid-60s, before the era of SS. This comes with a matching preamp (PAS-3, I believe). I'm kind of new here, and not at all technically savvy, so my question may be an ignorant one, but here goes: would you have to measure the PAS 3, too, to get a sense of how it and the ST 70 would perform in the listening environment? Thank you.
It was actually my ST-70 that got reviewed and I also had a PAS-3. I think ST-70's are fine for tube amps and if there was such thing as tube sound, which I don't believe, then it would come from the power amp and not the pre-amp. I can not recommend the PAS-3 except for collector reasons. They have several issues that are hard to deal with:

1. The pots get noisy and they are very unusual pots that are difficult to find and the circuits they are in don't work right without the right pots.
2. Because of a compromise they made to save money the tone controls will only work right with an amp with extremely high input impedance (Like the ST-70), the PAS-3 will not work right with any modern and many other vintage amps because of this.
3. Cross talk on every PAS-3 I have experienced is very high.

If you want to play with tubes I would start with a tube power amp and a modern pre-amp (or DAC with volume control). ST-70 are fine but many have been "modified" and as far as I have seen no modification, not matter how much people talk about hearing magic, has ever been measured to be an improvement. I would get a stock one that has been carefully and skillfully updated as needed over the years or a better and safer bet is to buy a new kit from DynaKit, and put it together.

In any case have fun.
 
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ST-70 are fine but many have been "modified" and as far as I have seen no modification, not matter how much people talk about hearing magic, has ever been measured to be an improvement. I would get a stock one that has been carefully and skillfully updated as needed over the years or a better and safer bet is to buy a new kit from DynaKit, and put it together.
I recently worked on a couple ST-70's and a PAS-3 with Van Alstine Mods and I thought they sounded better than the originals I've heard. The PAS-3 mods added buffers and improved the phono stage. Myself, I wouldn't spend the money for a PAS-3. There are better performing preamps for less money. Dynaco stuff was made as affordable budget stuff. So a lot of the original parts weren't that great. I think even upgrading the original circuit with newer parts can make a difference.
 
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