New Danley Studio Monitor: TDH-3

[rank]

6600 $...

 

[3ll3d00d]

Apparently because it follows the same design principles as (for instance) the Danley SM60, using a coaxial to seamlessly combine both high and midrange frequencies through midrange taps in the horn, as well as some Danley crossover wizardry.

Sorry, I missed the link to the other model which shows the taps, makes more sense now

 

[speakon-studio]

6600 $...

Perhaps the majority who purchase these will be using them in a professional setting, writing off their cost as a business expense?

 

[Pearljam5000]

Are they better than Genelec Ones ?

 

[speakon-studio]

Are they better than Genelec Ones ?

That is a great question.

 

[Ilkless]

Are they better than Genelec Ones ?

Different set of tradeoffs, and I reckon Danley made the wrong ones for the intended application with PA coaxials

 

[rank]

Perhaps the majority who purchase these will be using them in a professional setting, writing off their cost as a business expense?

This is more than ten times the public price of the loudspeakers used. Everything must be in the filter and the boxes + the WBT 0705 Ag binding posts ?!

 

[FrantzM]

Different set of tradeoffs, and I reckon Danley made the wrong ones for the intended application with PA coaxials

Why would that be the case? "wrong ones"?
I am not sure there any independent reviews or measurements of those speakers, thus difficult to pronounce, from the glimpse of information we have ...
By the way the design is pretty similar to early iteration of the Genelec coaxial speakers
Would like to see these, spring up at @amirm doorsteps for a review.


It is interesting that these ressemble the first iteration of the current Genelec Coax-based speakers,

Genelec 8260A: 10 inches woofer and coaxial-midrange and tweeter.

Peace.

 

[Ilkless]

Why would that be the case? "wrong ones"?
I am not sure there any independent reviews or measurements of those speakers, thus difficult to pronounce, from the glimpse of information we have ...
By the way the design is pretty similar to early iteration of the Genelec coaxial speakers
Would like to see these, spring up at @amirm doorsteps for a review.


It is interesting that these ressemble the first iteration of the current Genelec Coax-based speakers,

Genelec 8260A: 10 inches woofer and coaxial-midrange and tweeter.
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Peace.

PA OEM coaxials are not known for smoothness at HF compared to domestic/studio implementations from Genelec/KEF. A compression driver isn't as smooth as a direct radiator in most cases, and definitely not in a non-optimised coax without a highly optimised cone, throat and surround geometry as with Genelec/KEF

 

[voodooless]

PA OEM coaxials are not known for smoothness at HF compared to domestic/studio implementations from Genelec/KEF. A compression driver isn't as smooth as a direct radiator in most cases, and definitely not in a non-optimised coax without a highly optimised cone, throat and surround geometry as with Genelec/KEF

Well yes, and usually distortion at base levels is higher as well, but they can go way louder, and the sound field and compression characteristics are actually much better suited to match with a good horn. How smooth the result is, is usually highly dependent on the horn and the shaping of the response. If you look at the small B&C Coax referenced earlier, the HF response looks absolutely horrible. With the Danley horn, I'm sure it is much, much smoother. The rest, you can EQ, or you will not hear anyway. I think lots of the complaints for compression drivers stem from the less-than-optimal voicing, and the fact that you usually hear them in (often crappy) PAs.

And let's not pretend that Genelec isn't using them. See the S360:

Genelec S360 Review (Studio Monitor)

This is a review and detailed measurements of the Genelec S360 (S360A) studio monitor. It was sent to me by the company and costs US $3995 each. It comes in both white and black. As you can see, it is quite a departure from other Genelec speakers with rectangular shape and non-coaxial drivers...

www.audiosciencereview.com

Smooth enough?

Or their new flagship:

Genelec 8381A point source main monitor delivers unrivalled power and precision - Genelec.com

Genelec introduces its new flagship floor-standing main monitor.

www.genelec.com

 

[Ilkless]

Well yes, and usually distortion at base levels is higher as well, but they can go way louder, and the sound field and compression characteristics are actually much better suited to match with a good horn. How smooth the result is, is usually highly dependent on the horn and the shaping of the response. If you look at the small B&C Coax referenced earlier, the HF response looks absolutely horrible. With the Danley horn, I'm sure it is much, much smoother. The rest, you can EQ, or you will not hear anyway. I think lots of the complaints for compression drivers stem from the less-than-optimal voicing, and the fact that you usually hear them in (often crappy) PAs.

And let's not pretend that Genelec isn't using them. See the S360:

Genelec S360 Review (Studio Monitor)

This is a review and detailed measurements of the Genelec S360 (S360A) studio monitor. It was sent to me by the company and costs US $3995 each. It comes in both white and black. As you can see, it is quite a departure from other Genelec speakers with rectangular shape and non-coaxial drivers...

www.audiosciencereview.com

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Smooth enough?

Or their new flagship:

Genelec 8381A point source main monitor delivers unrivalled power and precision - Genelec.com

Genelec introduces its new flagship floor-standing main monitor.

www.genelec.com

The comparison was with Genelec coaxials. The Genelec coaxials are clearly much lower diffraction than any measured Danley

 

[Ilkka Rissanen]

And let's not pretend that Genelec isn't using them. See the S360:

I am not sure what exactly is "them" but Genelec S360 is not using an OEM coax driver. It has a 44 mm/1.7" dome compression driver with a 25 mm/1" throat in our custom DCW (machined directly into MDF cabinet), paired with a 10" woofer in non-coaxial arrangement. There is no Genelec model using an OEM coax driver, all of our coax drivers are designed and manufactured in house. Thank you.

 

[voodooless]

I am not sure what exactly is "them" but Genelec S360 is not using an OEM coax driver

OEM or otherwise is irrelevant. The point is that compression drivers can give smooth output, as Genelec (and others) clearly show, with or without coax. Kudos for building your own, though

Even when we look at OEM coaxials, the OEM ones are usually crappy because they are not properly integrated. I've seen plenty of examples where a properly integrated version gives vastly different responses and off-axis smoothness from the factory datasheet. Nevermind if you change out the horn completely.

 

[Ktacos]

as a musician and guy who mixes lots of stuff, I just can't take the video they made seriously.

 

[Ilkless]

OEM or otherwise is irrelevant. The point is that compression drivers can give smooth output, as Genelec (and others) clearly show, with or without coax. Kudos for building your own, though

Even when we look at OEM coaxials, the OEM ones are usually crappy because they are not properly integrated. I've seen plenty of examples where a properly integrated version gives vastly different responses and off-axis smoothness from the factory datasheet. Nevermind if you change out the horn completely.

Genelec is using a very clearly well designed low diffraction/HOM geometry -- be it for their compression driver tweeters, or coaxial drivers (with the smooth flush transition between tweeter and midrange), or quasi-coax arrays.

Danley's solution is clearly nowhere near as sophisticated and smooth on the driver/horn geometry level.

 

[voodooless]

Danley's solution is clearly nowhere near as sophisticated and smooth on the driver/horn geometry level.

I said “well yes” the first time Clearly KEF and Genelec have way more resources when it comes to product development. But that doesn’t mean Danley’s solution is bad. It will probably be a lot smoother than what we’ve seen from the SH50 for instance (see Erin’s review). Certain it will be much better than the OEM datasheets seem to indicate. And that was my main point: good integration is key. You can take it to the next level as KEF and Genelec have done for sure, but only a few companies can do that.

 

[Pearljam5000]

I said “well yes” the first time Clearly KEF and Genelec have way more resources when it comes to product development. But that doesn’t mean Danley’s solution is bad. It will probably be a lot smoother than what we’ve seen from the SH50 for instance (see Erin’s review). Certain it will be much better than the OEM datasheets seem to indicate. And that was my main point: good integration is key. You can take it to the next level als KEF and Genelec have done for sure, but only few companies can do that.

This begs the question which is the best coax driver
KEF Blade or Genelec Ones

 

[fordiebianco]

I think I'll stick with my Adam Audios.

 

[aprats]

Danley shared Klippel measurements and a spec sheet with me, though they differ from what's listed on their site. Regardless, I purchased a pair. There are not many studio monitors made in the USA today—let alone the South—and I'm curious to hear that Danley crossover at home.

 

[Ktacos]

Them beamy high tho.