Neumann KH120 II

[BDE]

Genelec should wake up and and update their 8000 series (which is16 years old now)Becaue Neumann is is starting to bypass them

I guess a separate thread would be fine to discuss the future of Genelec product portfolio or whishes to Genelec (e.g. make it sense to let the 8000 and G series live at all?).
BTW, as far as I know the current 8030C is only 6 years old (8030B end of production was in year 2017).

“Revolutionary” is a word that should be used only once! Or just avoid…

So they did keep the same driver diameter after all. Back when I used to listen really loud, I complained about the port air blasting through my neck/face. I’m afraid that this particular “problem” is going to be worse with this new model.

Well port noise was an issue with the old KH120 even though they spend a lot of thought to the design of the ports (notched and foam application). In 2m distance it was ok..


Add. price information of the non AES version:
Belgium: 890EUR/pcs. https://shop.cross-point.be/en/neumann-kh-120-ii-w-two-way-dsp-powerednearfield-m.html
US: 999USD/pcs. https://scmsinc.com/product/neumann-kh-120-ii-us-two-way-dsp-powerednearfield-monitor/

 

[unpluggged]

Neumann is is starting to bypass them

KH 120 is already superior to 8030C.

 

[LTig]

Genelec should wake up and and update their 8000 series (which is16 years old now)Becaue Neumann is is starting to bypass them

 

[LTig]

Interesting. I just ordered a pair of new KH120s at 600 USD per speaker. I am wondering if I was given a discount because they might drop prices.

While I would rather the II with DSP, at these prices, I am happy with my choice. At 600 a speaker, I was already pushing my budget.

Great times to get a great speaker dirt cheap!

 

[Pearljam5000]

What?

 

[dickiefunk]

I haven’t had any port noise issues with my KH120’s but I’m monitoring at around 1.5m and don’t crank them loud. It will be interesting to see if Neumann has developed the ports to be able to handle the extra bass and higher spl the mkII puts out!

 

[Pearljam5000]

I haven’t had any port noise issues with my KH120’s but I’m monitoring at around 1.5m and don’t crank them loud. It will be interesting to see if Neumann has developed the ports to be able to handle the extra bass and higher spl the mkII puts out!

Also the cabinet is not aluminum, so it must have some effect also

 

[thewas]

KH 120 is already superior to 8030C.

Don't agree although I used to happily own a pair of KH120, they are both state of the art in their price and size class with slightly different advantages and disadvantages, you can't go wrong with either.

 

[BDE]

Further data available:

Free field frequency response ±3 dB	44 Hz ... 21 kHz
Self-generated noise at 10 cm (with input gain set to 100 dB SPL for 0 dBu)	<20 dB(A) SPL
Max. SPL calc. in half space at 3% THD at 1 m (averaged between 100 Hz and 6 kHz)	116.8 dB SPL
Acoustical Principle	Bassreflex, Ports at the front
Analog input(s)	XLR: analog electronically balanced
Analog input impedance	24k Ohms
Digital input(s)	KH 120 II / KH 120 II W: RCA (75 Ω): S/PDIF KH 120 II AES67 / KH 120 II W AES67: RCA (75 Ω): S/PDIF, Ethernet
Input gain control (sensitivity)	0 dB ... -15 dB
Output level control (output level in 1 m based on 0 dBu input level)	94; 100; 108; 114 dB SPL
Equalization: Bass	0; -2; -4; -6 dB
Equalization: Low-Mid	0; -2; -4; -6 dB
Equalization: Treble	+1; 0; -1; -2 dB
Control	Local; Network
Crossover frequency	1.7 kHz
FIR phase correction	Linear phase (120 Hz ... 16 kHz; +/- 45°)
Protection circuitry	Independent soft clip, peak and thermo limiters for woofer and tweeter; Woofer excursion limiter; thermo limiter for the electronics and amplifiers
AES67 Audio-over-IP Interface	KH 120 II AES67 / KH 120 II W AES67: Fully redundant AES67 ST2110 compliant audio network interface; 2 Fast Ethernet 100Base-TX (IEEE 802.3) RJ-45 connectors; Physical redundant network (ST 2022-7)
AES67 Audio-over-IP input word length	KH 120 II AES67 / KH 120 II W AES67: 24 bits
AES67 Audio-over-IP input sampling rate	KH 120 II AES67 / KH 120 II W AES67: 44.1 / 48 / 88.2 / 96 kHz
AES67 Audio-over-IP input connection management	KH 120 II AES67 / KH 120 II W AES67: RAVENNA, NMOS IS-04 (Discovery & Registration) and NMOS IS-05 (Connection Management)
Output power woofer amplifier (THD+N with limiter deactivated: 10%)	145 W
Output power tweeter amplifier (THD+N with limiter deactivated: 10%)	100 W
Woofer	KH 120 II / KH 120 II AES67: 130 mm (5.25") with protecting metal grille, black KH 120 II W; KH 120 II W AES67: 130 mm (5.25") with protecting metal grille, white
Tweeter	KH 120 II / KH 120 II AES67: 25 mm (1") with protecting metal grille, black KH 120 II W; KH 120 II W AES67: 25 mm (1") with protecting metal grille, white
Product dimensions (height x width x depth)	287 x 182 x 227 mm (11.3 " x 7.16 " x 8.94")
Product weight	5.4 kg (11 lbs 14 oz)

https://www.neumann.com/en-en/products/monitors/kh-120-ii/

120II vs. "old" 120:
# 5,7dB higher max. SPL
# 300Hz lower crossover frequency
# enclosures around 1cm higher and 1cm more depth

Maybe I should ask Neumann to get payed as their marketing employee?

 

[DJBonoBobo]

# enclosures around 1cm higher and 1cm more depth

So it´s something like this:

Maybe I should ask Neumann to get payed as their marketing employee?

I don´t think they have a budget for such a position... ;-)

 

[Fontie]

any idea when these will be released?

 

[BDE]

any idea when these will be released?

I guess next week we will get an estimated release date (NAMM show).

 

[Pearljam5000]

 

[Hexspa]

Interesting. I just ordered a pair of new KH120s at 600 USD per speaker. I am wondering if I was given a discount because they might drop prices.

While I would rather the II with DSP, at these prices, I am happy with my choice. At 600 a speaker, I was already pushing my budget.

I predict the changes will be audible only when comparing side-by-side. Besides, with the KH 750 you get almost all the DSP advantages; at least the ones that MA1 offers. 20% off is a good deal, imo, and wouldn’t sweat it considering these will be double after tax.

I’m just seeing the product page. 44vs53Hz extension is F1-Ab1: a minor third lower and some flattening overall. Distortion and directivity can’t be extremely different. Of course they need to talk it up to sell it.

I guess a minor third in the bass could be noticeable assuming room resonances don’t distort it.

My point is don’t worry about these mk2s if you already have mk1s unless you need digital input or standalone DSP, imo.

 

[Hexspa]

very cool
Genelec should also improve their 8000 series with new drivers

And lower their prices and make an affordable subwoofer that goes to 20Hz.

 

[Hexspa]

What?

Transdermal cranial massage.

 

[teashea]

I predict the changes will be audible only when comparing side-by-side. Besides, with the KH 750 you get almost all the DSP advantages; at least the ones that MA1 offers. 20% off is a good deal, imo, and wouldn’t sweat it considering these will be double after tax.

I’m just seeing the product page. 44vs53Hz extension is F1-Ab1: a minor third lower and some flattening overall. Distortion and directivity can’t be extremely different. Of course they need to talk it up to sell it.

I guess a minor third in the bass could be noticeable assuming room resonances don’t distort it.

My point is don’t worry about these mk2s if you already have mk1s unless you need digital input or standalone DSP, imo.

I have two pairs of KH120's in my studio. For certain specific purposes they are fine. I think that the II's will be a nice improvement but will not move them into a different category. That is what the KH150's are for.........

 

[DJBonoBobo]

Neumann posted some measurements (horizontal directivity is yet missing Edit: found the horizontal directivity diagrams) - here the most important, i think (source: https://www.neumann.com/en-en/products/monitors/kh-120-ii/ - Data & Diagrams):

KH 120 II	KH 120

KH80	KH120	KH 120 II	KH 150

 

[Pearljam5000]

Which is a better bargain ,
KH150 or KH120II?

 

[dickiefunk]

I don’t have the technical knowledge to understand the measurement charts so could someone tell me how the new KH120II compare to the original KH150 and the older KH120 please?