You can achieve similar results with other, non proprietary, measuring equipment and EQ software. On the down side, it's probably more involved, on the up side, you're not tied to the Neumann echo-system and can mix and match brands.
I'm quite happy being tied to it to be honest, idea of going this route is my final system. Although I can see why that's probably all n issue for many people.
I don't think they must, but they actually did run a promo until the 31st of December that bundled a free MA 1 with a pair of both KH 120 II and KH 150.
Yes. That was my thinking too. Especially as 200 bucks compared to the costs of the speakers for me are not what I would call “tied in”. Plus one can still sell it once the system is setup, but again, I assume if you are thinking about this price range a hundred bucks more or less won’t break the bank.
Remember you need to also get an Audiointerface capable of 48V phantom power (see the MA1 webpage). Maybe you have one already as I didn’t follow all your previous posts.
You are right, the MA 1 does not include an interface to begin with. However, most of Neumann monitors users are assumed to already have an audio interface in the first place, so I can't blame Neumann for going with an analog microphone.
Oh I am not blaming them. First they cater to professional usually and secondly they are very transparent on their website about it (provided people read it ;-)).You are right, the MA 1 does not include an interface to begin with. However, most of Neumann monitors users are assumed to already have an audio interface in the first place, so I can't blame Neumann for going with an analog microphone.
P.S. Still waiting for my MA 1 and the UCX II to be picked up for delivery by the postal service at last after having been released from the customs
Tubes can certainly sound really special,but is best not to measure for the most part as the measurements are rarely flattering.When can we expect a learning lesson on tubes?
Do you mean this as a personal taste or there are some physical limitations in play here?
Looking at reviews, i have hard time understanding what would prevent the use of those small box crazy monitors as a full fledge living room system .
Is it a problem of SPL output ?
Lost of larger column type speakers have very similar width and tweeter , so i'd guess the mid and mid bass might not be sufficient ? surely the region covered by the tweeter would behave similarly ?
I already had a UMIK-1, USB microphone, but as a home user, that would be a deal breaker for me.You are right, the MA 1 does not include an interface to begin with. However, most of Neumann monitors users are assumed to already have an audio interface in the first place, so I can't blame Neumann for going with an analog microphone.
P.S. Still waiting for my MA 1 and the UCX II to be picked up for delivery by the postal service at last after having been released from the customs
GLM is much superiorI already had a UMIK-1 USB microphone, but as a home user, that would be a deal breaker for me.
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Not only is the MA1 about twice the price of the UMIK-1 to start with, but I would have to spend another ~£100.00 on an audio interface, for which I would have no use, other than using the MA1.
It's still more expensive than the UMIK, but at least it doesn't need any additional equipment.
There are audio interfaces targeted at home users, too. That's if you are bothering with pro audio gear in the first place.
How is it exactly "much superior"? GLM is a proprietary RS-485-based interface that requires you to use their network adapter; you cannot connect SAM speakers directly to LAN and you cannot control them using other software. OTOH, the Neumann monitors use Ethernet connections with standard IPv6 protocol and their control protocol (the Sennheiser Soudn Control Protocol) is published and there is third-party software that allows you to control Neumann monitors without buying any additional hardware or software licenses, such as these tools:
github.com
github.com
It's superior by it's ease of useThere are audio interfaces targeted at home users, too. That's if you are bothering with pro audio gear in the first place.
How is it exactly "much superior"? GLM is a proprietary RS-485-based interface that requires you to use their network adapter; you cannot connect SAM speakers directly to LAN and you cannot control them using other software. OTOH, the Neumann monitors use Ethernet connections with standard IPv6 protocol and their control protocol (the Sennheiser Soudn Control Protocol) is published and there is third-party software that allows you to control Neumann monitors without buying any additional hardware or software licenses, such as these tools:
GitHub - schwinn/khtool: Tool to query or change settings of Neumann KH DSP speakers
Tool to query or change settings of Neumann KH DSP speakers - schwinn/khtool
GitHub - jj-wohlgemuth/pyssc: Sennheiser Sound Control Protocol Client Implementation for Python
Sennheiser Sound Control Protocol Client Implementation for Python - jj-wohlgemuth/pyssc
Granted, but it's still an additional piece of kit I need to buy, on top of an already more expensive solution. And as SlothRock has pointed out, it's not something you use often.
I wondered whether it would be possible to upload the EQ settings to the monitors without using the MA1 hardware/software. Unfortunately, my monitors are connected via a Dynaudio sub, which kind of scuppers that idea.
Yes:
audiosciencereview.com
You don't need any adapter to connect as many speakers as you want and you can use any MIDI software you want for every function, as it supports this protocol. You can also switch between any mode and calibration on the fly, so keeping them always connected is pretty good idea - contrary to Neumanns where AFAIK you can't even quickly bypass the calibration, control and recall the volume, change the calibration from stereo to surround or atmos, bypass the sub, skip bass management or do anything really with their supported app. I guess you can hack around some of it but I prefer supported software and functionality. As far as factory software goes it's really no contest and with the addition of Genelec 9320A it's not even close. There's a reason the number 1 question come up when someone buys dsp Neumanns and want to use digital connection, which is: how to control the volume? If their source doesn't allow that they're out of luck
The thing is most hifi users i serve don't want a computer in their setup, it need to be stand alone set an forget. They use dedicated source devices (turntable, cd player, media streamer, ...), not a computer as source. Neighter GLM nor MA1 give that and both need it hardware to run from that most hifi users don't have in their setup. Both were designed for pro audio use (in music and broadcast studio's) where a computer and an ad/da interface is standard, and where today some advanced lan network systems are often also standard installed. And both are very suited for that kind of use, not for hifi. And remember, ASR members are not the standard hifi users. Most if not all here are way more technically skilled than the average joe, even the rich intelligent ones.