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Thanks Amirm. BTW, I think MARANTZ, DENON and other brands were bought by a medical company. Very strange I think!
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Marantz SA-10 Review (SACD Player & DAC)
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This is the limit that one can get from the properly dithered 44.1kHz/16 bit 1kHz 0dBFS signal. Mathematically generated signal, not a real thing. Seems that S/N numbers published by the manufacturers of CD players are measured without any signal, without any disc. Signal to Noise of the TPD dithered 44.1/16 is limited to 93.4dB flat 22kHz BW. Some tricks may be done by A-weighting.
Correct. Around 2014 I tried to develop a CD-Player. There is one company, Streamunlimited in Austria. They offered an OEM
solution for the control and mechanics. Back then, one could only choose from a Sanyo SF-HD850 and Sony KHM-313.
You could find those transports in 200$ units as well as in 10.000$ units.
No Philips or NEC any more. Talking with Streamunlited personally on a trade show, they did complain that they had a high
failure rate but no influence on quality control.
May we ask what was this favourite Sony your’s, the model.
SimpleTheater
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So once again a 2018 $500 OPPO UDP-203 is the better unit AND can play DVD/Blu-Ray/Blu-Ray UHD movies to boot.
How did you know? Have you seen any measurement comparison between the two, properly measured? @amirm has not published a proper set of measurements here. It is a disc player, so the CD mode must be tested with the test CD disc and the SACD mode must be tested with the SACD test disc. We only know how it behaves from the USB input, but the USB is rather a secondary, complementary option in this unit.
SimpleTheater
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Audioholics measured the OPPO's years ago, unless you're referring to a lack of testing for the Marantz.
Oppo UDP-203 & UDP-205 Ultra HD Blu-ray Players Review
We reviewed Oppo's newest Blu-ray players, the UDP-203 and UDP-205. With very responsive interfaces and state of the art playback performance The UDP-203/205 will leave you wanting very little.
www.audioholics.com
Have they used a CD or SACD as @pma suggests? It seems they have used the HDMI input:Audioholics measured the OPPO's years ago, unless you're referring to a lack of testing for the Marantz.
Oppo UDP-203 & UDP-205 Ultra HD Blu-ray Players Review
We reviewed Oppo's newest Blu-ray players, the UDP-203 and UDP-205. With very responsive interfaces and state of the art playback performance The UDP-203/205 will leave you wanting very little.
I'd be more worried about the reconstruction filter (or the lack of a proper one):
The filter that offers some level of attenuation is so bad that it will only make it up to a SINAD of roughly 68
. Mind you this is with 24-bit data.Basically, this DAC is useless unless you feed it 192 (or better) kHz upsampled data (with filter 1).
SimpleTheater
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If measuring specifically from a CD/SACD is so important to you and @pma I would suggest getting the OPPO DV-970HD, which also trounces this Marantz, and cost $150 new.
I just happen to agree with him that this is the main use of the device, so without this test we don't have a complete picture. I guess amir thinks the DAC performance isn't going to improve by using a CD, but we'll never know...
It's well known that some audio companies used the Oppo transport as the best OEM available, including PS Audio (everyone's favourite brand). Now the M3 transport first used in the Marantz SA-10 is the go-to SACD transport, due to lack of choice.
There is still a huge number of people out there with large collections of CDs and SACDs and they need machines to play them. Suggesting buying a 15-year old Oppo product, a company that pulled out of making SACD transports 3 or 4 years ago, doesn't help.
Why people ever bought into a DRM format I'll never know, but they did and good on Marantz supporting them.
There is still a huge number of people out there with large collections of CDs and SACDs and they need machines to play them. Suggesting buying a 15-year old Oppo product, a company that pulled out of making SACD transports 3 or 4 years ago, doesn't help.
Why people ever bought into a DRM format I'll never know, but they did and good on Marantz supporting them.
SimpleTheater
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Personally, in my 2 channel system, I use the Yamaha CD-S2100.
CD-S2100 - Overview - Yamaha USA
The CD-S2100 provides a new circuit design for elimination of audio loss, plus a high-precision drive mechanism for reproduction accuracy. This high-grade CD player delivers the new sound of Yamaha and is equipped with high-performance USB audio and DAC and other advanced functions.
usa.yamaha.com
Sold my OPPO UDP-203 for almost 3x what I paid for it, and use a Sony UBP-X800M2 for movies, pocketed the $1,000 (after eBay fees) and basically got 55 months of Netflix for free.
At my age, I guarantee I can not hear the difference between any of these 3 units, but the Yamaha looks beautiful, so I show it off. My home theater equipment is 100% out of view, so looks mean nothing.
Good points that I hadn't considered. You've made me aware that my musical interests and collections are more "mainstream" than I'd thought.
If one needed a CD/SACD player, the Arcam CDS50 appears to have better specs than the Marantz, though its appearance is not as "premium." It costs about $1,300 in the USA and £700 in the UK. It would be interesting to see measurements.
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I tought Oppo was out of business?If measuring specifically from a CD/SACD is so important to you and @pma I would suggest getting the OPPO DV-970HD, which also trounces this Marantz, and cost $150 new.
Audioholics measured the OPPO's years ago, unless you're referring to a lack of testing for the Marantz.
Oppo UDP-203 & UDP-205 Ultra HD Blu-ray Players Review
We reviewed Oppo's newest Blu-ray players, the UDP-203 and UDP-205. With very responsive interfaces and state of the art playback performance The UDP-203/205 will leave you wanting very little.
I am talking about apples to apples comparison, not about apples to oranges comparison. This review is about CD/SACD player so that is what you need to test. Nobody would buy this as a solely USB DAC player.
Looks like the Yamaha and Marantz share the same traverse mechanism... The service manual of the CD-S2100 is downloadeable at elektrotanya.com. The drawing of the traverse mech (which has no designation) looks very much like the SA-10 mechanism...Personally, in my 2 channel system, I use the Yamaha CD-S2100.
CD-S2100 - Overview - Yamaha USA
The CD-S2100 provides a new circuit design for elimination of audio loss, plus a high-precision drive mechanism for reproduction accuracy. This high-grade CD player delivers the new sound of Yamaha and is equipped with high-performance USB audio and DAC and other advanced functions.
Sold my OPPO UDP-203 for almost 3x what I paid for it, and use a Sony UBP-X800M2 for movies, pocketed the $1,000 (after eBay fees) and basically got 55 months of Netflix for free.
At my age, I guarantee I can not hear the difference between any of these 3 units, but the Yamaha looks beautiful, so I show it off. My home theater equipment is 100% out of view, so looks mean nothing.
Cd and sacd ultimately are bits just like FLAC/wav and dsf files. There is no difference at all. Only issue is of sacds which can't easily be ripped. Otherwise if at all one need to play cds then an ultra cheap dvd drive connected to laptop playing through memory in foobar with asio out to a dac like topping D90s or chord tt2 can beat any dedicated cd player. It's about clean dac output. Looks, heavy chassis and brand value has nothing to do with sq.
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The value here is as a collector's piece and that is entirely subjective. Objectively, it's fine but comparable to new technology a couple of orders of magnitude cheaper. It looks impressive though.
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Doesn't really matter what the Marantz measures since the Oppo gives you effectively the theoretical best-possible numbers for CD playback, and close to that for hi-res audio. It's likely the USB input on the Marantz is going to give you either the same, or slightly better, measurements than CD/hi-res playback anyway.
I'm totally baffled by who is in the market for these $7-$10,000 CD players.
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