He mentioned that has also WiiM Pro Plus, can measure room response and correct without buying MA1
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Living room system based on Genelec or Neumann.
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Mines are beautiful octave related: 72 Hz, 140 Hz, 295 Hz centered. Corrected and Genelecs showed a lot of new potential… only added +2 dB at 2500 Hz for some speaker minor issue on the crossover region.
I now have at home the Genelec F Two subwoofer, for the type of music I listen to is glorious once tweaking some settings 
Free from the heavy duty of the sub 85 Hz, the G Three shines as it has no audible distortion. Is expensive but the footprint is as small that one can forget is there, like a little mini-stool on the floor.
Free from the heavy duty of the sub 85 Hz, the G Three shines as it has no audible distortion. Is expensive but the footprint is as small that one can forget is there, like a little mini-stool on the floor.
If you decide against wall mounting, £2.5k would get you some nice floorstanding speakers. If you are using for movies as well as music, you might appreciate the extra drivers/cabinet volume.
My own experience (admittedly not as extensive as yours) is that even high quality speakers have a 'sound signature'. It is likely people will have preferences one way or another.
My gut intuition is that people could tell speakers apart, in double blind test, at a rate higher than chance. I don't know how the test would be done, but if that is the outcome, it would suggest that speakers that measure well aren't similar enough to be mistaken for each other.
My own experience (admittedly not as extensive as yours) is that even high quality speakers have a 'sound signature'. It is likely people will have preferences one way or another.
Of course they have a signature, the best measured speakers have 2 dB smooth variations across the frequency range and between listening angles so different room response, too. 2 speakers rating 9 may sound different between them.
I think that Purité Audio was trying to say is that one can easily adapt to well made speakers and finally that signature is not really important.
Tldr: differences between speakers can be small if built to same target.
I have some good stand mount speakers, all very linear and very smooth directivity (some genelec, some passive kits, some self made including crossover - a few of them in the picture). We had a Hifi meeting yesterday and I put them side by side. While there were differences noticeable it was definitely less then expected and certainly with room correction some would propably be indistinguishable.
We had one set of speakers by a different designer and it was very easy to filter out for everyone and was the only not constant directivity. Between the others the bass extension and volume was most notable difference.
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I recognize my beloved Genelec 8030… really small.
Yes, more or less is what I think: as you mentioned the room correction homogenize even more the speakers.
I have the chance to try at home Neumann and Genelec of same 5 inch cone, and sounded different but bass extension is not the same. Probably with the sub I would be equally happy with both, but at that moment I decided to keep the 8030.
Nice table, a lot of wooden monitors…
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Indeed, I do have the WiiM Pro Plus. Could you explain how I can measure room response using it? Do I need to place the WiiM in a specific location for accurate measurement?
Go to Room Measurements in the app on a phone or tablet. You can connect a mic via usb to them.
Then you can measure the room and select parameters as target curve, max Q, max dB if correction and frequency range.
You can use the inbuilt mic of the phone, for a couple of modes it is not very bad on low region, mine diverges a lot from calibration mic on highs.
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Thank you for getting back to me. Could you recommend the correct mic for the job?
You said that I could connect a mic via USB. Do you mean connecting a mic to the Wiim Pro Plus via USB?
I don’t have mic, a patient let me a Umik usb mic like this one:
MINIDSP UMIK-1 Micro de Mesure USB
Le Umik-1 est un micro de mesure USB omnidirectionnel à faible bruit qui fournit des résultats précis. Le Umik-1 est un appareil audio USB de classe 1, automatiquement reconnu par tous les systèmes d'exploitation (Windows / Mac / Linux).
www.audiophonics.fr
You plug the mic on a computer or a phone where you have the WiiM app, ensure the device recognize the mic… in the iphone was just plugin it.
I don’t know so much about mics, but here the Umik 1 is quite popular.
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I don't understand your instructions. Are you telling me that I should connect the iPhone to the Mac (via cable?), run the Wiim app on the Mac, and use the iPhone as a microphone?
The Wiim has a built-in microphone. Could this one be used instead?
The Wiim has a built-in microphone. Could this one be used instead?
The WiiM phone app allows for room correction using the phone microphone.
WiiM Home App - All World Music In Your Palm | WiiM
wiimhome.com
Optimizing Your Audio Experience: The Power of Room Correction & How to Use in the WiiM Home App (Updated - Available now for both Android and iOS users)
Enhance your sound system with room correction: adjust audio to your room's acoustics for clearer, accurate, and immersive listening.
www.blog.wiimhome.com
Or better you can connect the calibration mic to the iphone instead of using the mic of the phone.
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I conducted the measurements today using the following setup: WiiM Pro Plus connected to an RME ADI-2 DAC, which feeds into Neumanns KH150. I used an iPhone 15 Pro Max as the microphone, positioned in my regular listening spot. These are measurements, taken with all corrections on the RME and at the back of the Neumanns disabled.
I then applied filters 2, 4, 6, and 7 on the RME, and the results of the second measurement are shown below.
Something is clearly off, as the 10dB peak around 40Hz remains unchanged, and the other peaks are still present.
iPhone 15 Pro Max microphone frequency response and directivity
I then applied filters 2, 4, 6, and 7 on the RME, and the results of the second measurement are shown below.
Something is clearly off, as the 10dB peak around 40Hz remains unchanged, and the other peaks are still present.
iPhone 15 Pro Max microphone frequency response and directivity
I think WiiM flatten again the PEQ if you do another measurements, it doesn’t allow to verification after the room measurement process.
Or you have copied the filters and applied independently on the RME? It has a PEQ?
My process was:
1-Make room correction on WiiM
2-Turn off the filters I don’t want (usually positive gain and >400 Hz region)
3- Tune a little bit the rest of the filters, not more than -6 dB and less than 5 Q factor.
4- Even retune a little bit by ear if wanted
5- done
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I manually entered the values into the RME, and yes, it does have its own PEQ.
The second reading should be completely different, as specific frequencies were adjusted by -10dB, -7dB, -4dB, and -7 dB.
After these corrections, the bass was largely gone from the Neumanns.
Anyway, I went back to the previous settings.
The second reading should be completely different, as specific frequencies were adjusted by -10dB, -7dB, -4dB, and -7 dB.
After these corrections, the bass was largely gone from the Neumanns.
Anyway, I went back to the previous settings.
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What speakers are you using?
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