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If i was a pro speaker builder and had something good that i wanted to sell, Amir or someone else would not even have to ask. A good review here is very good advertising as this site is watched by way more poeple than those who have an account or even reply. And it surely would be cheaper advertisment than bombing social media or the "specialised hi end audio press" with ads.
 

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Does Harman send speakers to Amir for review? Does KEF? Focal? B&W?

No no no and no.

So please stop picking on SVS.
 

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I got a very nice reply that essentially said no thanks as they don't want to share insights that could be read by other competing brands but invited me to have a home trial to listen for myself.
Definitely take them up on the offer.

And give Amir's address in place of yours
 

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SVS makes decent subwoofers. As for the speakers, I don't know.
 

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If i was a pro speaker builder and had something good that i wanted to sell, Amir or someone else would not even have to ask. A good review here is very good advertising as this site is watched by way more poeple than those who have an account or even reply. And it surely would be cheaper advertisment than bombing social media or the "specialised hi end audio press" with ads.
But what if you are a pro speaker builder with already popular speakers that people really like and that perform well in your tests but may have weaknesses known or unknown that could show up on very thorough testing. Do you risk it? Do you risk having a large group of 'measurement' people bring up any issues any time someone mentions your speaker on a forum?
 

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As I've said here before I'm very happy with my SVS sub but their Prime Satellites I bought for surrounds were so painfully bright that even my ignorant ears finally had to pull the plug on them.
 
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Does Harman send speakers to Amir for review? Does KEF? Focal? B&W?

No no no and no.

So please stop picking on SVS.
I wouldn't say we're picking on SVS. I started this because I'm interested in their product. I'm a customer and I buy speakers. This thread is sending clicks and customers their way. Not as many as a review, but some.

We should contact KEF & B&W as well about sending samples to Amir and Erin and post the results on here. The more the manufacturers see that customers want to see products measured, the more likely it will happen. Don't just leave it to Amir to try and persuade these companies.

Definitely take them up on the offer.

And give Amir's address in place of yours
I have considered this and I'm not sure about the logistics. Will the loan window be long enough for Amir to find time to do the work for example. SVS might not be happy about it as I would be circumventing their stated wish to avoid the measurement. I would be more inclined to buy a used pair and have them sent to Amir.
 

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You may notice how few manufacturers send their products here for review.

IMO, the reason is that there is very little upside for a manufacturer from a review that will have little if any effusive flowery praise that can be quoted in ads. And even the very best graphs look pretty choppy (=bad) to the average consumer, which is why you almost never see such graphs in ads (even the manufacturer's own).
 

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SVS is an affiliate of Erin's Audio Corner, listed in the Shopping section at the bottom of every review.

SVS sends their speakers to Erin to review. Erin is not necessarily going to be nasty to them in words, but we can expect proper measurements. We can choose to buy a product endorsed (or not) by Erin through the affiliate links to support him: or we can choose to be wary of any reviewer earning money that way. That's up to us individually to decide, of course. The measurements are published, they are presumably accurate, so they have no need to send speakers to Amir as well.

We can even start a thread here on those measurements and rip them to pieces, if we want. The company is still taking that risk. Of course, if they don't send the product to ASR, nothing said here is endorsed and they and their resellers can just tell people not to use or believe ASR if they wish.

We also know that if a product is incompetently designed or engineered, it is likely to be called out here. Even if Amir recommends a product with measurements short of textbook, someone is going to take a potshot in the comments. Remember the TuneTot?

Whether Amir asks for a product or not is up to Amir. I daresay he's not going to do too many cold calls because multiple rejections can't be nice. I'd say that if you are buying the product and arrange for it to go to him first, that's OK, but just asking isn't, because we don't know how that will play into any official contact. Otherwise, sticking to having products reviewed that people own, or that manufacturers want to place here, is probably the best way forward in practice.

Any reviewer has to ask themselves how they want to do their job and earn their living (or not) from it. I'm not here to condemn Erin for the way he chooses to do things. I would suggest, though, that any commercial links anywhere are taken into account - there's no point in condemning one person for taking advertising or commissions, but not another unless you know where you draw the line.

The bar at ASR is high, and should stay that way. As far as taking it on yourself to ask a manufacturer for an ASR review, I'd at least check with @amirm first, to avoid angst or problems with that manufacturer.

It is interesting, though that an SVS representative gave such a dodgy answer. This place is full of smart and sceptical people who will spot this stuff. They should just say that review samples are limited and sent out according to company policy, or something similar, and leave it at that. As it is, I'll be less likely to buy anything from them because I wonder what else they are not straight about...
 

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Did Harman give an explanation to why?
No. At the time there was a lot of demand to review that speaker. My contacts knew me from my old days of working at Microsoft so I was hopeful they would do it. But at the end they refused and didn't say why.
 

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I have considered this and I'm not sure about the logistics. Will the loan window be long enough for Amir to find time to do the work for example. SVS might not be happy about it as I would be circumventing their stated wish to avoid the measurement.
If you arrange with me prior to purchase, I can make it happen during the return period. A lot of members have done this. I see no ethical issues with it as I am assuming you think their speaker is excellent and hence the reason you are buying it. Should it not measure well, then you are more than entitled to change your mind and return the product. In these cases I can give you my shipping info so product comes directly to me. Then if it reviews well, I can pay to have it shipped to you (although some members pay for that). In the case of return, assuming they provide a label, we can use that.
 

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Audio Advice has loaned showroom speakers to Erin in the past to measure, and I think Kef directly supplies him (or through a dealer). Vantoo and Focal have also supplied speakers to Erin + Joe to review jointly. I'm sure others I am forgetting.

Erin I think has been more aggressive about working with speaker manufactures / retailers, but that is just a hunch (no inside info).
 
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SVS is an affiliate of Erin's Audio Corner, listed in the Shopping section at the bottom of every review.

SVS sends their speakers to Erin to review. Erin is not necessarily going to be nasty to them in words, but we can expect proper measurements. We can choose to buy a product endorsed (or not) by Erin through the affiliate links to support him: or we can choose to be wary of any reviewer earning money that way. That's up to us individually to decide, of course. The measurements are published, they are presumably accurate, so they have no need to send speakers to Amir as well.

We can even start a thread here on those measurements and rip them to pieces, if we want. The company is still taking that risk. Of course, if they don't send the product to ASR, nothing said here is endorsed and they and their resellers can just tell people not to use or believe ASR if they wish.
I wonder why they haven't sent a pair of this particular speaker to Erin yet. It's been out for months. I would be satisfied with his measurements and I believe his video reviews are fairly impartial. Maybe I should ask Erin or SVS about that?

Whether Amir asks for a product or not is up to Amir. I daresay he's not going to do too many cold calls because multiple rejections can't be nice. I'd say that if you are buying the product and arrange for it to go to him first, that's OK, but just asking isn't, because we don't know how that will play into any official contact. Otherwise, sticking to having products reviewed that people own, or that manufacturers want to place here, is probably the best way forward in practice.
I can understand that trying to wrangle review samples from manufacturers could be something Amir doesn't want to do too much of. They will likely make demands that he won't want to fulfil such as giving them editorial control.

It is interesting, though that an SVS representative gave such a dodgy answer. This place is full of smart and sceptical people who will spot this stuff. They should just say that review samples are limited and sent out according to company policy, or something similar, and leave it at that. As it is, I'll be less likely to buy anything from them because I wonder what else they are not straight about...
Yes. The reply was nicely worded but actually put me off buying the product or even having a trial at home.
 

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I wonder why they haven't sent a pair of this particular speaker to Erin yet. It's been out for months. I would be satisfied with his measurements and I believe his video reviews are fairly impartial. Maybe I should ask Erin or SVS about that?


I can understand that trying to wrangle review samples from manufacturers could be something Amir doesn't want to do too much of. They will likely make demands that he won't want to fulfil such as giving them editorial control.


Yes. The reply was nicely worded but actually put me off buying the product or even having a trial at home.
I thought it may have been a Stereophile exclusive for a period, but I see a bunch of other reviews of this model online now. I expect Erin will get it soon enough, unless they do have something to hide that isn’t in tbe Stereophile measurements.

Any concerned rival manufacturer can buy a pair easily enough if they need to know the “secret” of course. Hey, they could even send one to Amir for the mischief value (hint)
 
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If you arrange with me prior to purchase, I can make it happen during the return period. A lot of members have done this. I see no ethical issues with it as I am assuming you think their speaker is excellent and hence the reason you are buying it. Should it not measure well, then you are more than entitled to change your mind and return the product. In these cases I can give you my shipping info so product comes directly to me. Then if it reviews well, I can pay to have it shipped to you (although some members pay for that). In the case of return, assuming they provide a label, we can use that.
There is a logistical problem as I'm not in the USA. For warranty purposes I would want to be buying from a UK distributor and not SVS in the USA and not be able to take advantage of the SVS free trial at home. For now I want to see if they will send a pair to Erin for review.
 
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