Would you say there's only 1 model? the next best replacing the previous best? I could drop a speaker M & M and mention the song that made me think of it regarding image specificity, but one of the things I appreciate about this hobby is how different speakers kinda shuffle my set list by making different songs pop.I have noticed that the subject of holographic sound, the depth of the sound stage, is often ridiculed here. However, having several pairs of speakers in one room and presenting them in different places, one issue stands out very clearly. It is a physical, tangible impression of the presence of the voice/instrument. And this, apart from the acoustics of the room, is due to some speakers, let's not talk about amplifiers. Let's not talk about a large stage to the sides, because when we move the speakers apart, most people will say wow, what a large stage. We are talking about holography and depth front to back that is tangible, you can tell that something is 2 meters in front of you and every 50 cm. Let those who have had contact with it and are delving into this experience speak up. Recommend some speakers that can do this. Thank you and I love you.
Marten Miles did well in main position and farther back. All speakers have their spot but these are not very picky about it.Elac Debut is not reasonable speaker thendid you try them with very small listening triangle? What about the Martens you mention, do they have the sound also back of the room, or just around at the listening position?
I find envelopment much more interesting than depth. Totem speaker (with all their quirks) handle this nicely for my ear.
I only listened to Uni-fi ub52 but I was a bit disappointed, the depth of sound is quite big but overall the sound seems artificial to me. The consultant in the showroom accurately described the speakers before listening, so when he said that I can skip elac debut if I am looking for depth and holography I believe he was right. But who knows what would have happened if I had listened to them. Thank you for your post.Elac Debut is not reasonable speaker thendid you try them with very small listening triangle? What about the Martens you mention, do they have the sound also back of the room, or just around at the listening position?
Why choose when you can have them both at the same time?
The depth information is in the recording, and that will be heard with capable loudspeakers set up correctly in the room, and it helps to have a fairly high ratio of direct sound which often comes with a fairly small listening triangle.
The sensation of envelopment comes with late reflections in the listening environment, and when those are “late enough” they will be perceived as a secondary diffused sound field somewhat “detached” from the dominant direct sound, which in turn gives the listener a “window view” into the recorded venue. I have also noticed that two subwoofers set up in stereo on either side of the main speakers help to enlarge the sensation of development.
When both of those sensations work together (which also depends on the recording), it creates both depth and envelopment at the same time which sounds very three-dimensional.
At least that’s how I would describe it.![]()
Today in the listening room I crawled on all fours to have the speakers closer to my ears, I left the chairs where they wereYou just brought up something that I don’t think I had thought about before: the relationship between my having a modest sized room (15’ c 13’) and the sense of envelopment I enjoy and have experienced over the years.
I’m not going to attribute this to the reflective effects of my room per se, but possibly more to the fact, a smaller room encourages a more intimate set up of the loudspeakers.
When I see loudspeakers in large rooms, and audiophile set up or elsewhere, understandably, there is often more distance from the speakers to the listening position.
But I like a closer more immersive experience (My current speakers are around 7 feet from my listening position). When I go to audio stores that have big rooms, they’ve often placed the seat at a greater distance from the loudspeakers, so I usually pull my seat closer to the type of distance I will listen at home.
So it’s a bit hard to tell whether my desire for closer seating and immersion is strictly from personal preference, or whether it also derives from simply not having a big room, which meant for closer seating distances, which helped formed my preferences.
By the way, I also noted an increase in spaciousness to the sound when I added two subwoofers to my floorstanding speakers.
That seems to be a pretty common observation.
Today I listened to B&W 606 s3, B&W 705 s3, Elac uni-fi ub52, Elac Solano bs283, Audio Physic classic 3. This is my subjective opinion, so please be understanding.
The room was treated well, about 6x5 meters.
In search of holography, the 606 s3 was the clear winner. I expected the ub52 to delight me, but it was not the best experience.
In short, my impressions:
606 s3 very open sound and fast dynamic but also very natural, wide sound stage with a very focused phantom center, the only thing missing was a bit of the lowest bottom, but I have a subwoofer just in case. A slightly raised top above 7hkz, a slight bottom around 3khz, but a great pleasure to listen to. Large scale of sound, with very good depth.
More than 3 times more expensive 705 s3 had no chance, it was surprising. I could say it sounded like a 606 that lacked power... But that's for sure.
Elac uni-fi ub52 - despite the admiration of NewRecordDay and cheapaudioman, this is an artificially playing speaker in my opinion, as if the potential of 3 drivers was wasted. Detailed but not as much as 606, less lively, milder transients. Strange, as if compressed sound, imaging good but not what I expected after a few reviews on the internet. Overall feeling of mess and smaller soundstage than 606.
Audio Physic classic 3 - correct, a bit warmer, safe choice but after opinions that Audio Physic are generally very holographic speakers, in the case of classic 3 this is not true.
Elac Solano bs283 - small dark compressed sound.
I thought that 606 would have a wide stage while losing the central image, but despite the wide spacing the center was firmly embedded.
When it comes to holography, the best is 606 s3, then 705 s3 and ub52. The rest are weak.
Here I must add that the 606 s3 did not achieve the holography I mentioned at the beginning of this thread, but the differentiation of sound planes was good nonetheless.
I swapped them and switched them all the time. That's all I could doIf you don't control for loudspeaker placement, listening room characteristics *room and program material—not to mention sighted bias—then these observations may be interesting, but not definitive.
Edit: in my own (somewhat limited) experience the most dramatic differences appear to derive from the source material. A recording/mix can be very open/spatial or not. The effects usually discernible on different listening devices and speaker vs headphone. But I haven't listened to the range of loudspeakers that say @MattHooper or @Duke have.
I swapped them and switched them all the time. That's all I could do
No. It’s an accidental artifact of the room and speaker interaction. It’s not by design. Love it when it happens though.
Well stereo placement of instruments across left to right is deliberate but the so-called holographic thing is just luck. Someone in pro audio told me that mixing can’t account for the effects of the crazy sound we sometimes hear with some speakers in some rooms. Room reflections and speaker dispersion(?) at play. But I certainly am not qualified to support this. Many of the experts here would agree though. Whatever causes the magic I love it when it happens!Hmmm, I'd say it's the deliberate intention of stereo reproduction.
You should hear if it's in the recording, provided your room setup, listening position and equipment etc aren't doing something wrong.
Well stereo placement of instruments across left to right is deliberate but the so-called holographic thing is just luck. Someone in pro audio told me that mixing can’t account for the effects of the crazy sound we sometimes hear with some speakers in some rooms. Room reflections and speaker dispersion(?) at play. But I certainly am not qualified to support this. Many of the experts here would agree though. Whatever causes the magic I love it when it happens!
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Someone in pro audio told me that mixing can’t account for the effects of the crazy sound we sometimes hear with some speakers in some rooms.
Bob Carver toyed around with "Sonic Holography" in the 90's with a bunch of gear. I had a preamp and, briefly, a stand alone unit. I'm not sure what the analog "magic" circuit was doing but I only had moderate success with it once and your head may as well of been clamped into one single point in space IF you had the room for the proposed set up. It was also very dependent on recording and mixing quality.
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