You can’t just extrapolate one thing from another. Is your house better if it’s build on a foundation twice the thicknesses of the design spec? Also with musical instruments I’m pretty sure that bias plays a massive role, probably bigger than build quality in many cases. And also here, we can measure things. Build quality says little about performance. Engineering does. Build quality just makes it look nice and may make a product more durable.
Common sense != science
They're MConnect for iOS and bubbleuPnP for Android. They cost a few $. I've used both and they're both OK as basic players.
If these “enhancements” do not translate to improved performance, they serve no purpose in that regard. Then yes, it’s just window dressing.
The fact that there are very little objective measurement based reviews of musical instrument is already a good clue.
Thank you for making my point!
That indeed what being human is all about
Having feelings about it doesn’t change the facts.
Let's not go too far on this,we're here typing because that very senses kept us alive,they are maybe dull in some areas but when it comes to survival or protection they are very-very good.Thank you for making my point!
That indeed what being human is all about
Exactly, and that’s where the bias comes in. The value judgement is always subjective. It will always contain biases. Humans cannot just shut them down in their head. As a musician you shouldn’t even care. Part of the performance is the belief and confidence in the gear.
No doubt! We would not have evolved them if they weren’t useful. These senses are however not very useful at some other tasks, like distinguishing two DAC’s with 120 SINAD (and otherwise no obvious flaws).
I am all for measurment Voodooless, but I do think generally we should keep ourselves aware of tunnel vision and not fall into our own bias trap. Quality of construction IS an objective improvement if translate to longer life and better reliability, and in many cases it does, it's not '' window dressing''. It doesn't take measurments to know that musical instruments sound different. Because there are not much measurments around that show how ifferent is a Stradivarius from a Samick violin don't mean they sound the same and the playability is the same... Musicians know that, it's obvious, always going for '' If so, prove it' blanket answer don't help the credibility of the scientfic community. On this, musicians are the experts.
Another obvious difference is that music instruments are for production while a device like a DAC is for reproduction where its purpose is to reproduce faithfully.
If it does, it’s measurable and quantifiable. Bedsides, those “better constructions” aren’t pulled out of an ass. Some engineer came up with them. The trouble is just: which of them the engineer came up with, and which the marketing junior?
There were some blind tests with various Stradis vs modern violins, show that the differences aren’t really that big as assumed.. talking about biases of musicians…
Come on... Yes a new violin can sound as good as a Stradivarius, and if it sounds louder, it will sound better to the listener... Nothing to do with the bias of the players. You also seemed to have missed that sentence: (The record price for an instrument by a modern maker is a relatively cheap $132,000.) "It's good news for players," It's obviously not what I am talking about...If it does, it’s measurable and quantifiable. Bedsides, those “better constructions” aren’t pulled out of an ass. Some engineer came up with them. The trouble is just: which of them the engineer came up with, and which the marketing junior?
There were some blind tests with various Stradis vs modern violins, show that the differences aren’t really that big as assumed.. talking about biases of musicians…
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You can’t obviously do that with a new product, but you can set the design parameters for durability and then select components and engineer the product for these parameters. In the aircraft industry these things are actually confirmed with accelerated endurance tests and such things. Obviously for a consumer product this goes way too far. But still, the knowledge can still be applied there.
True. But the fact remains that some do better than others... And the fact also remains that all audio products have been designed by engineers.... Some do their due diligence, some don't and design products doomed to fail...
Fully agree with that! But the argument wasn’t even about that. It was about “build quality”. Which basically just means: it looks sturdy. And then it was extrapolated that: if it looks sturdy, it’s performance must be better. But this doesn’t follow. I can make a product with very expensive components, yet performance is sub-par. Basically any boutique audio product falls into this category. Nor does it automatically follow that the reliability is automatically better.
It was about threshold of hearing line what is 120 dB down from threshold of pain. If -115dB noise and THD is compared with threshold of hearing level, then 0 dB is at threshold of pain. And how many dB down is actual 0 dB level from threshold of pain, as many dB higher is threshold of hearing.
