In theory the D&D could be half price.Looks like a shootout forming for the D&D 8C vs Kii3 vs 8361A!
In theory the D&D could be half price.Looks like a shootout forming for the D&D 8C vs Kii3 vs 8361A!
Not to mention, at the volume that these are meant to be heard in mid/far field, any of those differences would be inaudible due to masking! So it makes sense the 8351B are a little better due to its application for lower volume listening.It's pretty much just the on-axis response. If you look closely at 200hz-3000hz, you can see the 8361A's variations cover about 1dB more than the 8351B. Maybe even 2dB if you include the 200hz dip and 300hz peak, which basically doesn't exist on the 8351B.
Keep in mind this is absolutely pixel-hunting on-paper-only silliness. There is margin-of-error to consider, I doubt this would be audible in most cases, and the biggest "flaw" is below the frequency where room EQ will be used anyways.
Also, if you believe in waterfalls, there are more resonances on that graph. But I don't think only-waterfall-visible resonances mean anything either.
I believe the Genelec rep has stated that if you plan to match with a Genelec sub anyway, his suggestion is to get the 8351B.The 8351B uses the same midrange and tweeter, powered by the same amps, as the 8361A. So the main difference would be output between your sub crossover and ~320hz. This is a fairly narrow range, however, and honestly you will usually end up being sub-limited with this setup. My 12" sealed sub starts clipping on tracks with any amount of bass long, long before the 8351B does. Getting 2x Arendal 1723 2S soon which will alleviate this problem
Add KH420 and Focal Trio 11 and we're doneLooks like a shootout forming for the D&D 8C vs Kii3 vs 8361A!
Nothing a little sandpaper can't help solveI wish they made this one in raw aluminium!
They do - I'm sure they'll release the 8361B at some point, and then you can pick these up for a huge discount on the secondary market! That's what happened with the 8351A when the 8351B was released.I hope Genelecs dialled in some planned obsolescence into this speaker or something because these really are the ones.
Yes, if you are mastering reference level for movies far field, the dynamic swings are huge - thus "pro" monitors. The pros do need something that can hit high SPL without distorting (or breaking) day in day out in a studio. Obviously, I'm not a professional mixer for movie theater content but we have one such member: @audio2920 what are your thoughts on the high SPL capability of the 8361A - necessary or overkill?Question is: do you really need that?
I have the 8m dutch & dutch and they go VERY loud. Not healthy for your ears. Since I cut the bass from them and reroute the bass to 2 subs, this is an awesome system.
Nevertheless, great speaker this 8361A.
Actually, you move the stand to the long side of the speaker. They have screw holes for this purpose.You can rotate them sideways. It comes with a different stand for that purpose.
If the preference rating goes up to 10, I'm curious what we can expect from speakers scoring significantly higher than this?? Does any such speaker exist and what's the audible "improvement" to the listener? I'm confounded that this is "only" 7.9! LOL damn measurementsNote: Rating for far-field listening
Preference Rating
SCORE: 6.7
SCORE w/ sub: 7.9
Frequency response: +/- 2.5dB 36Hz-20kHz ; +/- 1.6dB 34Hz-15kHz
They do - I'm sure they'll release the 8361B at some point, and then you can pick these up for a huge discount on the secondary market! That's what happened with the 8351A when the 8351B was released.
If the preference rating goes up to 10, I'm curious what we can expect from speakers scoring significantly higher than this?? Does any such speaker exist and what's the audible "improvement" to the listener? I'm confounded that this is "only" 7.9! LOL damn measurements
You mean Monoprice right? Given that the speaker designer for Perlisten also designs for Arendal and Monolith series speakers, it shouldn't be long before we get some affordable DSP pro speakers that are similarly well designed. Monoprice has the technical DSP chops now (HTP-1) and their recent speaker/subwoofer releases have been well designed - take a look at the waveguide on the B6 below - this speaker should not cost $180! Spoiler: @hardisj may have Klippel measurements for these sooner rather than later10k?
I wait for the Behringer version lol
Hence my comment about the 8320A score with sub..If the preference rating goes up to 10, I'm curious what we can expect from speakers scoring significantly higher than this?? Does any such speaker exist and what's the audible "improvement" to the listener? I'm confounded that this is "only" 7.9! LOL damn measurements
No, your subjective impressions are completely acceptable because you have to live with these things - I honestly believe that many of the issues you are hearing also have to do with (1) room interaction (2) speaker accuracy and (3) listener preference. Thankfully, #2 is irrelevant because #1 and #3 are easily addressed with the GLM system. The issue many consumers have is they are unwilling to play with GLM in order to tune it to #3 so instead, they go speaker shopping (which takes longer IMO) until they find a speaker that fits #1 and #3, and this as we know is pure blind luck. Hopefully, GLM EQ will allow you to tune down the harshness to your taste!This is my first post here. I currently have a pair of 8361s set up in my listening room for an in home demo. I have owned and heard many excellent speakers over the years. I have a different perspective from many members here in that I have a soft spot for bbc inspired speakers as well as quad es. I listen mostly to classical music. I agree that 8361s have a remarkable amount of clean, excellent, well integrated bass. astounding really for a speaker of their size. They can play much louder than I would ever care to listen. They certainly appear to have no distortion and to be exceptionally clear at all volumes. The detail presented is amazing. I really can hear things on recordings that I had missed before. I have no doubt that they are everything Amir says and that their designers wanted. Nevertheless, my experience is that the speakers are poorly suited for classical or other acoustic music. I think that strings sound harsh and piano brittle. Depsite the excellent measurements and clear virtues of the speaker, the e string on a violin is artificial sounding to me, harsh, unpleasant and cold. I find myself dreading the high notes. The beauty of live acoustical music is just not conveyed by these speakers In my room. The speakers are incredibly impressive, but do not companionable.
Now, all of this is without equalization. I have a GLS system arriving today, and it may improve things. I understand that I am posting a contrary view here. I do not doubt that these speakers are surely all they are intended to be for non-acoustic music, but they produce a sound, at least without eq, that is little like real acoustic instruments. I also understand that most here will take me to be an out of touch subjectivist ignoring the objective measurements. I do not intend to be anti-scientific or disrespectful in any way, but merely to report my short experience experience listening to the speakers. I hope that eq will fix the problems, for the many virturpes of the speakers are obvious, but I would not call them musical speakers, at least for classical music. Do others here who listen to classical music disagree?
And thus the beauty of headphones to double check!I think our ears can easily say if that bad sound is due to a careless recording turning bad in the end or a poor underperforming loudspeaker. Or both.
I have listened to the 1236A SAM system in the picture in a concert avenue built by Genelec here https://www.glivelab.fi/tampere/info/ and they were by far the best speakers I've ever heard, it was the first time I've heard clear and punchy bass in a concert. Would be fun to see Amir's reaction to the 1236A system some day. There are some measurements provided by Genelec in the operating manual here https://www.genelec.fi/1236a
PS if you put two or more in your cart, the price is $169.99 each.You mean Monoprice right? Given that the speaker designer for Perlisten also designs for Arendal and Monolith series speakers, it shouldn't be long before we get some affordable DSP pro speakers that are similarly well designed. Monoprice has the technical DSP chops now (HTP-1) and their recent speaker/subwoofer releases have been well designed - take a look at the waveguide on the B6 below - this speaker should not cost $180! Spoiler: @hardisj may have Klippel measurements for these sooner rather than later
"The 8361A is tri‑amplified by Genelec’s own Class‑D PWM amplifiers" in other words, it's whatever works and likely something incredibly modest, inexpensive but durable.What class D amps does these high end Genelecs use? In house or a chip?
Not to mention, you're carrying around an amplifier! So imagine carrying not just the speaker cabinet, but stacking on top the DAC, preamp, and amplifier!Although they’re definitely hefty, they are probably the smallest and lightest speakers you‘ll find with this level of bass output capability. For example, Revel F328Be should definitely match (and likely exceed) the bass capability of these, but they weigh almost twice as much and are much more than twice the size.
Compared to equally competent towers, the 8361A are a relative breeze to carry around
LOL it's what I do!PS if you put two or more in your cart, the price is $169.99 each.
..must resist cart checkout!!! Damn you FOMO