You think people should require compliance with contracts?i think people should require compliance with contracts.
Fanbois to fosi???lol, but you know that this is only to protect Kickstarter against claims from users, which is generally very right, because Kickstarter cannot be responsible for the fulfillment of the declarations by companies offering their products because it has no control over them. This does not mean that the companies themselves no longer have to fulfill their obligations, or that this failure to fulfill their obligations cannot be criticized and as a customer, I have to endure everything with a smile on my face, and I sincerely feel sorry for every fanboy with such an attitude. The company could have reacted somehow immediately when any criticism appeared before the end of the campaign, but now it is obviously too busy xD I will tell you a funny story. There is a certain YouTuber I like. YouTuber wrote a book. When you preordered, you received an autograph, a fridge magnet and a bookmark. And somehow, a debutant writer publishing for a small publisher of several people managed to send several thousand copies of the book within a few days of the planned premiere. There is also a band that I like, and they also planned the premiere of their album with preorder bonuses, but here it was not so beautiful. Two weeks before the planned premiere, I was informed that due to errors at the pressing plant, the pressing would have to be repeated, and since the pressing plant now had to fulfill other planned contracts, I would have to wait a few weeks. After some time, the band sent word that the album was at the pressing plant and would therefore be released in a week. and now imagine my shock when a small niche band somehow miraculously sent several thousand different products (vinyls, CDs, T-shirts, and other promotional materials) to all pre-orderers within a few days of the premiere. Then there were messages that orders placed now would be processed in two weeks because additional printing was necessary. So when someone declares that the shipment will take place on a given day, it is absolutely obvious that it will take place within a few days from that moment, maybe a week, at worst two, but if it has been going on for the third week without a word of explanation , then this is simply ****** service and I see absolutely no reason not to express my opinion on this matter. However, if a fanboi thinks it's cool when a company treats him this way, that's his business and his choice.
Before you go on endlessly about this could you please go back and read the conditions and deal you signed up for and reflect on how well your remarks actually tally up with what you accepted.imagine that even if the company hires 50 lawyers to protect itself against every eventuality, or the bank puts 50 prohibited paragraphs in your contract for which you will never be able to hold it liable, or if some country generally has ****** consumer law, you still have every right to stigmatize such practices and to demand better behavior than the minimum permitted by law.
This surprised me as well. I replied to that message with the note, that I ordered two 10A supplies and not one. Their reply? "Thank you for your suggestion."Regarding the delay caused by the power filter: it’s interesting to see that it’s impacting people who ordered a 10A power supply for each amp, as the initial communication seemed to indicate that the filter was designed specifically to address issues when using a single power supply with two amps.
Yes I got exactly the same "Thank you for your suggestion." but I went straight back to them (politely) and got this straightaway:This surprised me as well. I replied to that message with the note, that I ordered two 10A supplies and not one. Their reply? "Thank you for your suggestion."![]()
Rewards aren’t guaranteed, but creators must regularly update backers.
If a statement needs to be made for any reason I’d rather it be through Kickstarter than on a forum. At the moment I don’t see the need for one though, as shipments started when planned and based on backer comments they appear to be continuing. If any shipments will be delayed for any reason, like those with 10A power supplies, then yes an update through Kickstarter would be great.But I think we can all agree that some communication from Fosi here at Audioscience would be helpful. I'm not asking for anything more than a short statement ....
This is what’s so bizarre about the direction this thread has taken — Fosi DID and CONTINUE to fulfill their obligations! Rewards started shipping right around the time Fosi estimated they would, and as the daily “I got my tracking #” posts here, on Kickstarter, and at other forums indicate, they’re still shipping rewards as planned. This all seems based on a misconception — as evidenced by your book and record examples — that backing a Kickstarter is the same as placing a preorder. It’s not. The expectation that YOUR amp would ship on June 15 was not warranted.This does not mean that the companies themselves no longer have to fulfill their obligations, or that this failure to fulfill their obligations cannot be criticized
Not a mistake. That promise helped Fosi create urgency around the launch.My expectation would have been that No 4 would get its devices sooner than No 1800...
That was probably a mistake, for which I apologise.
Did they actually open the campaign with a promise that early backers would get early shipment? If that’s the case, I take back everything I’ve said here, and agree an explanation would be nice. I was fairly early — in the 40s — and certainly don’t remember seeing that I’d be getting any benefit beyond a lower price and a t-shirt, but maybe I missed something.Not a mistake. That promise helped Fosi create urgency around the launch.
I think a more honest assessment of the views expressed here is that the responsibilities are different with a Kickstarter, not nonexistent.What surprises me is the view that because they used kickstarter their responsibilities have evaporated.
Yes, they said they would send them in order of receipt of support.Did they actually open the campaign with a promise that early backers would get early shipment?
A couple of folks in the past few pages have said that on kickstarter you may end up with no reward at all.I think a more honest assessment of the views expressed here is that the responsibilities are different with a Kickstarter, not nonexistent.
It is technically correct; with Kickstarter fundraisers, the rewards are NOT guaranteed. Of course, there should be a realistic expectation with a company like Fosi that you’ll get your rewards sooner or later (of course, preferably sooner).Yes, they said they would send them in order of receipt of support.
A couple of folks in the past few pages have said that on kickstarter you may end up with no reward at all.
Very cool. Let us know here what it runs like. How is the power output? Is it enough? Are there speaker low impedance issues with the amps, do they run hot with the Magnepans and whatever else you can think up too.planning to test them using a couple extra sets of Magnepan speakers