Elac Debut Reference DBR-62 Speaker Review

[wyup]

No, but Erin from Erins Audio Corner reviewed them and measured them on his Klippel NFS:

ELAC UBR62 Speaker Review

ELAC UBR62 Speaker Review

www.erinsaudiocorner.com

Hey, but that is UBR62's link, this thread is about DBR62, correct link is this:

https://www.erinsaudiocorner.com/loudspeakers/elac_dbr62/

 

[ninetylol]

Anybody compared these to the ELAC Uni-Fi 2.0 UB52?

I really like the Unifi UB52 but can get the DBR62 for 250€ a pair new, so im kinda curious.

 

[delta76]

Anybody compared these to the ELAC Uni-Fi 2.0 UB52?

I really like the Unifi UB52 but can get the DBR62 for 250€ a pair new, so im kinda curious.

it was not measured as good https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...ac-uni-fi-2-0-review-bookshelf-speaker.19216/ (due to resonances)

go for DBR62, cheaper and measured better

 

[ninetylol]

it was not measured as good https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...ac-uni-fi-2-0-review-bookshelf-speaker.19216/ (due to resonances)

go for DBR62, cheaper and measured better

Yeah Ive seen that, since i got the speakers here i also tested this and dont have any resonances.

What baffles me though, the Spinorama of the UB52 seems much flatter than DBR62 but the DBR62 got a higher score and higher flatness score on spinorama.org

 

[delta76]

can't claim I am an expert (or even understand the graph), but UB20 has the steep slop at 7kHz and much worse in high frequencies.

 

[KaMiKaZeCATS]

Does anyone have any info, ideally measurements or at least impressions on the matching center speaker? DCR-52.

I just ordered the whole set, DCR-52 + DBR-62 for a good deal, About 1k USD. A bit worried I shouldn't have ordered the DCR-52. Please don't assume all MTM are bad. I wont be convinced unless there is real objective or at least subjective information. My listing angle is less then 15 degrees for the center so I am not too worried about off-axis measurements.

 

[3125b]

All 2-way MTM centers perform about the same in terms of directivity - there is no way around that, regardless of wether you're willing to accept that.
On-axis is probably fine though, although I know of no measurements for that particular speaker, the other entires to that line perform well.
The cheapest (at least in the German market, currently at 270€) decent 3-way center is also made by Elac: https://www.erinsaudiocorner.com/loudspeakers/elac_uc52/
Might be an option in the US as well, but of course it's not a great fit stylistically if that matters to you.

 

[Laserjock]

All 2-way MTM centers perform about the same in terms of directivity - there is no way around that, regardless of wether you're willing to accept that.
On-axis is probably fine though, although I know of no measurements for that particular speaker, the other entires to that line perform well.
The cheapest (at least in the German market, currently at 270€) decent 3-way center is also made by Elac: https://www.erinsaudiocorner.com/loudspeakers/elac_uc52/
Might be an option in the US as well, but of course it's not a great fit stylistically if that matters to you.

Good price on Amazon right now too

ELAC Uni-Fi 2.0 UC52​

 

[Eldus]

Does anyone have any info, ideally measurements or at least impressions on the matching center speaker? DCR-52.

I just ordered the whole set, DCR-52 + DBR-62 for a good deal, About 1k USD. A bit worried I shouldn't have ordered the DCR-52. Please don't assume all MTM are bad. I wont be convinced unless there is real objective or at least subjective information. My listing angle is less then 15 degrees for the center so I am not too worried about off-axis measurements.

Let us know how it sounds.

 

[KaMiKaZeCATS]

I found some measurements on hifitest.de

They seem very good +/- 3dB from flat. Slight dip at 1khz but otherwise very flat. I think Blue is 0, Green is 15 and Red is 30 degrees. if so this should be perfectly fine for my use case.

I think ill keep the order.

 

[Ismapics]

Just arrived!!! New Elf on the Shelf.

 

[Laserjock]

Just arrived!!! New Elf on the Shelf.
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Elf is a “rocker”…

 

[O Akroatís]

Could you compare an Elac Debut Reference DBR-62 or even an ELAC Uni-Fi Reference UBR62 to a Dali Oberon-1?
I know, different sizes though and other prices.

 

[burkm]

Who has several speakers as stated at hand ?
Speaker sound is mostly room and placement dependant, meaning, that a user should audition the sound under his individual and personal circumstances...
A speaker may thus sound in one room "great" but seem to lack in another...

 

[KaMiKaZeCATS]

Could you compare an Elac Debut Reference DBR-62 or even an ELAC Uni-Fi Reference UBR62 to a Dali Oberon-1?
I know, different sizes though and other prices.

When I receive my set I can compare it to Dali Zensor 1 & Zensor Vokal if interested.

 

[3125b]

ELAC Uni-Fi Reference UBR62

ELAC UBR62 Speaker Review

ELAC UBR62 Speaker Review

www.erinsaudiocorner.com

and https://www.i-fidelity.net/testberichte/hifi/dali-oberon-1/seite-5.html (take these measurements with a grain of salt)

 

[Eldus]

Could you compare an Elac Debut Reference DBR-62 or even an ELAC Uni-Fi Reference UBR62 to a Dali Oberon-1?
I know, different sizes though and other prices.

 

[O Akroatís]

ELAC UBR62 Speaker Review

ELAC UBR62 Speaker Review

www.erinsaudiocorner.com

and https://www.i-fidelity.net/testberichte/hifi/dali-oberon-1/seite-5.html (take these measurements with a grain of salt)

Yes, thanks, we already looked at that last week. I only understand half of all measurements.
I understand/read that the Elac UBR62 can go lower and higher and is 3-way versus 2-way for the Dali.

 

[3125b]

I understand/read that the Elac UBR62 can go lower and higher and is 3-way versus 2-way for the Dali.

Well, not quite.
High frequency extension isn't typically an issue on any speaker, don't worry about that.
Low frequency extension is actually slightly better in the Dali at 53 vs. 57Hz (-3dB).
FR should in reality be flatter for the UBR62, the Dali could definitely use a waveguide of some sort to get a more even high frequency response.
Apart from that though, the Dali seem like reasonably decent speakers (although the measurements aren't complete and not too detailed).
3-way vs. 2-way doesn't mean much by itself, more drivers doesn't automatically mean better. One thing that will make a difference is the Elac being coaxial. This creates a much more even horizontal directivity making the speakers much better suited if you move by more than say 10° vertically - not usually the case for farfield listening, but nearfield at a desk coaxials are much superior imo.
The DBR62 are traditional 2-way speakers but they have a waveguide and otherwise perform a little better than the UBR62 - and cost significantly less, in fact they are slightly cheaper than the Dali at the moment. I'd go with those except for nearfield use.

 

[O Akroatís]

Well, not quite.
High frequency extension isn't typically an issue on any speaker, don't worry about that.
Low frequency extension is actually slightly better in the Dali at 53 vs. 57Hz (-3dB).
FR should in reality be flatter for the UBR62, the Dali could definitely use a waveguide of some sort to get a more even high frequency response.
Apart from that though, the Dali seem like reasonably decent speakers (although the measurements aren't complete and not too detailed).
3-way vs. 2-way doesn't mean much by itself, more drivers doesn't automatically mean better. One thing that will make a difference is the Elac being coaxial. This creates a much more even horizontal directivity making the speakers much better suited if you move by more than say 10° vertically - not usually the case for farfield listening, but nearfield at a desk coaxials are much superior imo.
The DBR62 are traditional 2-way speakers but they have a waveguide and otherwise perform a little better than the UBR62 - and cost significantly less, in fact they are slightly cheaper than the Dali at the moment. I'd go with those except for nearfield use.

Thank you very much for your detailed explanation.
I unfortunately missed a 24-hour offer here in Greece from a specialist shop for a Dali Oberon 1 for €357 instead of €458.
Of course, the question remains whether a €640 for a DBR62 or the €910 for a UBR62 can justify the high more cost versus a €458 Dali Oberon-1.
We hope there will be another promotion from Elac for BF here in Europe but I think it will be false hope.
The problem is that the purchase has to be right away because we have no possibility to go and listen to speakers first.