Beside Nr-1200, there is Pioneer SX-S30, Onkyo TX-8270 and Denon DRA-800H (mentioned here). Denon review wasn't that great, I don't know anything about how these units handle bass management (it may be as well that Marantz is the better choice overall). The Pioneer is class D I think if that is something you care about.
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Elac Debut Reference DBR-62 Speaker Review
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Many here also choose an AVR for HDMI and bass management even for 2 channel. Really it’s a personal preference if you feel that not using the extra channels of amplification is wasteful or you feel AVRs are technically compromised in some way.
Okey at this point I have these options in the hand:
Sonos Amp
Marantz SR5015
Marantz Nr1200
Pioneer SX-30DAB
If I want a good 2.1 sound quality via HDMI arc for music and games, what is the best option? Not mandatory, but I prefer EQ tweak function (bass and treble minimum)
I supose the Elac DBR62 has a superior sound quality and combined with the Elac 10.2S (subwoofer) I will have a superior sound scene than The Fives and without any hiss sound, is it so?
Sonos Amp
Marantz SR5015
Marantz Nr1200
Pioneer SX-30DAB
If I want a good 2.1 sound quality via HDMI arc for music and games, what is the best option? Not mandatory, but I prefer EQ tweak function (bass and treble minimum)
I supose the Elac DBR62 has a superior sound quality and combined with the Elac 10.2S (subwoofer) I will have a superior sound scene than The Fives and without any hiss sound, is it so?
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it would be difficult to choose. I think all 4 are pretty equal in sound quality and I can think of no reason you’d hear a hiss or noise. I’ve only heard the Sonos and a similar Marantz. It just comes down to what features/power you like. I’d probably rule out the Marantz AVR unless I wanted to expand to home theatre just based on cost. Personally i almost bought a Sonos, but there was no stock. Now I’m kind of glad I didn’t. The lack of a volume knob I think would bother me.
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Crutchfield is including a pair of white stands with the white/oak pair of speakers, at no extra cost. $699, free shipping, free stands. Just sales tax. Let's get this over with!
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About a month ago I pulled the trigger on a pair of Elac DBR62. German retailer Media Markt first had them at 319€, then 299€, then 269€ and when they announced a „no VAT sale“ and price came down to 226€ I could not resist any longer. Sorry I didn´t inform you about the sale, but I just created my account ☹
Here is a pic of the Elacs next to my Bonsai Akustik Ideal SE (long gone one man manufacturer that used SEAS drivers, the speakers were built around the year 2000 and cost 500€, bought them used for 113€ six years ago), Marantz PM7001 and Pro Ject DAC.
First impressions compared to the Bonsais: In the lower midbass the Elacs are louder, in the upper bass the Bonsais are louder, in the presence region the Elacs seem to be a little bit louder, in the brilliance region the Bonsais are clearly louder again.
The Elacs sound clearly „darker“ and bass extends deeper. My first listening impressions are somewhat mixed: Old recordings from the 70s and 80s, Rock and Metal sound better on the Elacs (not as harsh and thin as before), while urban, rap and trap sound better on the Bonsais (I guess they are not affected as much by the typical upper bass floor bounce cancellation because they exaggerate this region and are not affected by my 55hz room mode as much and as a result sound „faster and bouncier“). For the first evening I had trouble unterstanding movie dialogue with the Elacs, but that changed rather quickly. After listening exclusively to the Elacs for a few weeks, I switched back to Bonsais two days ago and again had trouble understanding movie dialogue for the first hour or so, which lends some credence to the importance of habit. Soundstage is another category where the speakers differ: The phanton center is more stable with the Elacs, but the soundstage is narrower and more shallow.
To verify my listening impressions I got an Umik-1 Mic for christmas and did my very first measurements. I got some results that seem to verify my subjective impressions, but I am not comfortable sharing them just yet, because I´m a noob and there is much room for improvement on my part, but I will keep you updated.
Thanks to you all and especially Amir for this forum! I really enjoyed reading through it for a year or so and hope to be able to make some miniscule contributions in the future!
Here is a pic of the Elacs next to my Bonsai Akustik Ideal SE (long gone one man manufacturer that used SEAS drivers, the speakers were built around the year 2000 and cost 500€, bought them used for 113€ six years ago), Marantz PM7001 and Pro Ject DAC.
First impressions compared to the Bonsais: In the lower midbass the Elacs are louder, in the upper bass the Bonsais are louder, in the presence region the Elacs seem to be a little bit louder, in the brilliance region the Bonsais are clearly louder again.
The Elacs sound clearly „darker“ and bass extends deeper. My first listening impressions are somewhat mixed: Old recordings from the 70s and 80s, Rock and Metal sound better on the Elacs (not as harsh and thin as before), while urban, rap and trap sound better on the Bonsais (I guess they are not affected as much by the typical upper bass floor bounce cancellation because they exaggerate this region and are not affected by my 55hz room mode as much and as a result sound „faster and bouncier“). For the first evening I had trouble unterstanding movie dialogue with the Elacs, but that changed rather quickly. After listening exclusively to the Elacs for a few weeks, I switched back to Bonsais two days ago and again had trouble understanding movie dialogue for the first hour or so, which lends some credence to the importance of habit. Soundstage is another category where the speakers differ: The phanton center is more stable with the Elacs, but the soundstage is narrower and more shallow.
To verify my listening impressions I got an Umik-1 Mic for christmas and did my very first measurements. I got some results that seem to verify my subjective impressions, but I am not comfortable sharing them just yet, because I´m a noob and there is much room for improvement on my part, but I will keep you updated.
Thanks to you all and especially Amir for this forum! I really enjoyed reading through it for a year or so and hope to be able to make some miniscule contributions in the future!
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What about 299€/pair?
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I finally decided to pull the trigger. But on www.hidden-audio.de website, walnut ones, 979€ included shipping :) Happy Christmas to me! eheh... Nice, I got myself a pair of R5 in walnut for the living room. Easier with kids around.
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How about 289€/pair if you pay via bank transfer?
Anyway, i got a pair, also two Elac low end active subs. I also have a spare MiniDSP 2x4HD and a spare Yamaha A-S300. Should be fun.
That's like 618€.
You could import from the shop VintageFlanker linked to, the reduced VAT would likely offset the import cost. You have 11 minutes to get the 15%.
Hello,
Finally I bought these speakers and a Marantz nr1200, I will use it with a TV as a PC monitor (4k@120Hz) and I have one question, can I use it with their HDMI ARC connection only for sound? I want to use the TV at 4@120Hz with HDMI ARC functions but the Marantz output is 4k@60Hz.
Finally I bought these speakers and a Marantz nr1200, I will use it with a TV as a PC monitor (4k@120Hz) and I have one question, can I use it with their HDMI ARC connection only for sound? I want to use the TV at 4@120Hz with HDMI ARC functions but the Marantz output is 4k@60Hz.
Yes. Plug your PC into the TV and then use your TV's arc HDMI connection to run HDMI out of the TV to your HDMI arc input on the marantz
But the Marantz only has HDMI ARC output, the inputs are HDMI without ARC.
HDMI ARC is a two way connection.
Connect your TV HDMI Input (the one labelled ARC), to the HDMI ARC output of your Marantz.
Connect your PC to a second TV HDMI Input. Connect other devices to the TV directly as well.
Make sure HDMI ARC is enabled in your TV settings and Marantz settings.
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Exactly. You would need to set your marantz to "TV audio" or equivalent input source and it should play whatever is coming from the TV. You may need to check the instruction manual. This is how I have my Denon set up
Many thanks both!!
My last question, at this moment I have The Fives connected to TV and also I have a sub (Elac 10.2S) connected to improve the bass and I'm very happy with that because I love the bass punch from the sub for music and games. But the Marantz only has pre-sub out, It doesn't filter the output to the speakers thus the speakers would play also the bass signal, how I can reproduce only the bass across the sub?
My last question, at this moment I have The Fives connected to TV and also I have a sub (Elac 10.2S) connected to improve the bass and I'm very happy with that because I love the bass punch from the sub for music and games. But the Marantz only has pre-sub out, It doesn't filter the output to the speakers thus the speakers would play also the bass signal, how I can reproduce only the bass across the sub?
Uh under denon/marantz settings, set speakers to small and set crossover to 80hz?
Look at this, specially the last post:
Looking at the Marantz NR1200 Stereo Receiver
Currently I have the SMSL SA300 + Sanskrit 10th MKII + Concept 20 I am considering sending both the SMSL's back and taking a huge leap to the NR1200 - I like the ARC and HDMI functionality, Optical in etc, however if there's one thing I have learnt on here it's how over price brand names can...
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