A number of us used to be involved with another audio forum (that is now dying) that was owned in part by a gynecologist. He didn't take too kindly to rational inquiry on his forum and ran us off. I won't name the forum.
Thanks, he's already weighed in in favor of the 8cs. Though I'm still trying to get a sense of how large an upgrade they would or would not be from the Type 20s. The main question I have, which I know is somewhat subjective, is do they represent the same kind of performance leap you'd see going from say, the Adam A7x, to the Adam SV3s (in other words, up a tier within a monitor range). Or is the difference more incremental/a matter of trade-offs? For instance, the high end on the Type 20s is by far the best I've ever heard -- can the 8cs compete with the Type 20's AMT tweeter?
Given the expense, I'm just trying to gather as much information as I can. I've contacted D&D directly and we are in the process of finding out of an in-person audition is possible in my area.
In lieu of that, I'm just trying to mine the personal experiences of those who have heard them here.
I think the directivity issue may well depend on the size of the listening room. If you have a smaller listening room, wide dispersion speakers more likely result in adverse room interactions. Even if the D & D doesn't have the widest sound stage, isn't it preferable if it's the most accurate?Although if you have the speakers firing ‘straight’ no toe in you can increase spaciousness depending upon construction, proximity etc etc
Keith
I haven’t compared the 8cs to the Type 20s, though I was interested in both. I did however directly compare a pair of Kii 3s to a pair of Neumann KH310s and whilst I was v impressed with the 310s there was no contest (in my room) in terms of quality of the bass and imaging/precision/clarity in particular. So if pushed I would guess there’d be at least a comparably large gap between the 8cs and the type 20s.
what hedd audio has chosen to do today may be for economic or marketing reasons, but does not solve the problem or rather does not answer the question .
the question and to know if the double or triple conversions according to whether one attacks the dsp in analog or digital can harm the quality of the signal?
it says""
"" in most cases two additional A/D or D/A conversions, sound quality is affected""
are there any measures? tests?
other questions? how does the 8c internal dsp not generate noise on the signal? with everything inside (power supply, etc etc)
again, are there any measures? in the absence of proof doubt is permitted.
fred
I went from the older A7 (no X) to the S2V. The main thing that struck me was that the sound was very similar. They did a bunch of things better, but there was no wow.The main question I have, which I know is somewhat subjective, is do they represent the same kind of performance leap you'd see going from say, the Adam A7x, to the Adam SV3s (in other words, up a tier within a monitor range).
Would love to get the Baach into Amir's lab. I'm interested in seeing what the unit actually does, and whether it enhances realism or is merely a sound effect. An arm's length, objective evaluation complete with measurements will go a long way toward satisfying everyone's curiouity.Yes, we have a number of those here. Another poster baselessly alleged that it was an audiophile scam.
If it's who I think it is, he put all the "objectivists" in a ghetto.I'm still none the wiser, but I think we should leave it there.
<1% at best, 0% almost certainly, based on my own experience of level matched comparisons of DACs and cables over a huge price range.it won't make an Adam A7x sound much more than 10-15% better at best.
You have to be aware that the Type 20 probably measures worse than the A7X with a sub, because this compact layout is known for sacrificing horizontal directivity.Hmm, I was contemplating the S2V as the upgrade from my A7X. I'm very glad then I went with the Type 20s (3-way speaker for one thing). They were definitely a "wow" difference between the Adams (obvious subjective, but a significant leap IMO).
The way I described it when I first upgraded was that with the A7Xs, I was listening to a song (albeit at a very high quality level). With the Type 20s, I was having an experience.
You have to be aware that the Type 20 probably measures worse than the A7X with a sub, because this compact layout is known for sacrificing horizontal directivity.
Well, this directivity difference would only show off-axis or in the distance, so it's not dramatic, depending on the listening position.I'm using the Type 20s with the Adam Sub8 also (I would recommend adding a sub for the Type 20s).
Measurements aside, it would take anyone about 5 seconds to hear a large difference between the Type 20s and A7X and I can't imagine many thinking the A7X was superior regardless of application.
A subjective way I thought about it was it was like the Type 20s were a much more powerful magnifying glass into the recording. You feel more "zoomed in," in that not only can you hear more detail, but the soundstage is larger also.
Rob the 8Cs are amongst the finest loudspeakers I have heard at any price, I have never really placed much weight in soundstage but thee 8Cs imaging is exceptional partly because you can adjust each speaker’s output for exact match.
The 8Cs just just allow you to hear more, just greater resolution, cardioid, constant directivity , perfect step, phase coherent bass is superb partly because you can adjust the response with the built in EQ.
you must try and hear them, only then can you really decide if they are worth the extra.
Let me know if I can help getting a pair to you to try.
Keith
I had a response from D&D and it appears that this was a problem in lanspeaker that is now fixed. I can confirm that I can now enter all digits in the filter fields.Good to hear I’m not the only one having the problem.
How do you connect your Mac mini to the 8cs? I'm thinking of getting these and using them with BACCHYes, you can send a separate stereo AES signal to each 8C and select the right or left channel for each speaker from the 8Cs' app.