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Dutch & Dutch 8Cs

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Thanks for the reply and indeed this would make sense for the lower part of the frequency spectrum. Applying the Toole curve would also include to attenuate the highs by a bit, if I get it correctly.

As i am not just listing but also mixing music on the 8c‘s, i am trying to find a setting wich translates best on other systems as well. In case someone has an idea how to achieve this, I would be really happy to know.

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Are you using them in the nearfield? I can see flat being applicable used like they.
 

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the a/bing is really hard for me as I have to separately change the settings and that’s why I would love to start at a suggestion and do changes from there
I don't understand why you cannot create different configs in the app and swap been them as music is playing.
 

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I don't understand why you cannot create different configs in the app and swap been them as music is playing.
Yes I use them as nearfield and my router is quite far so I need to get another cable to make changing the configs easy. Nonetheless as wrote before, there are people who already tried a lot of curves, configs and have more experience than me in room correction so I guess the forum is the best place to ask and share those right?
 

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Yes I use them as nearfield and my router is quite far so I need to get another cable to make changing the configs easy. Nonetheless as wrote before, there are people who already tried a lot of curves, configs and have more experience than me in room correction so I guess the forum is the best place to ask and share those right?
Have you read,

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As i am not just listing but also mixing music on the 8c‘s, i am trying to find a setting wich translates best on other systems as well. In case someone has an idea how to achieve this, I would be really happy to know.
The 8C's are quite accurate speakers. I would recommend a "flat" setting, IE one that sounds most like the mic feeds to you.
Let the listeners EQ to taste.
JMO
 

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Thanks for the answers!

Yes I was reading the paper of Dutch &Dutch before but wanted to get more insights as I felt it was more written to keep things simple for private users.

Regarding measuring the speakers together or on its own.. this is Martijn‘s take on it:

„What I usually do is first EQ both individually, by matching their responses to the same target curve. Next I measure the two EQ'd 8c's together and then manually only address any peaks that might result from the interaction between the two. Usually that's one or two filters with a small gain. I don't change the overall shape of the curve of the combined measurements, and I don't address any remaining dips.“

Regarding the response curve, I asked a mastering engineer about his house curve with the 8c‘s and he boosted the subs by 1db and the lows by 0,5db, the rest stays flat.
 

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Also Dutch & Dutch recommends to not apply a house curve like from Toole and aim for a flat curve, wich seems also a bit odd to me.
I don't think the two are in disagreement at all. Toole does not specifically recommend a house or target curve (he discusses the issue here: http://www.aes.org/e-lib/download.cfm/17839.pdf?ID=17839 and here: https://www.avsforum.com/threads/of...theater-thread.2515137/page-168#post-57820394). Both basically argue for equalization up to the transition zone (likely 300-400 Hz, depending on the size the room) with some degree of rising bass (D&D's recs are pretty much in line with the "trained listeners" curve below the transition zone), then tone controls can be used for individual preference and specific program material (https://support.dutchdutch.com/adaptive-1-roommatching-2-voicing/, also Toole's comments in previous links).
 
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