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Complaint thread about speaker measurements

I am talking about John's comments which you were defending. I just looked and you gave him likes for all of them so I assume he is speaking for you as well.

No, I speak for myself. I liked the fact that he was prepared to stand by his comments, with supporting reasons given, in the face of uncalled-for put-downs.

You clearly targeted my comments in post #179 and now, instead, you are mind-reading my posted 'likes'. Not good enough.

I think you need to step back a bit. Maybe take a break. This thread is not doing you well. I say this out of concern. This is not a jibe.
 
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Firstly I wanted to say I care a lot about these measurements that your reviews are lacking, and I resent the way you speak to restorer-John.

Start a fund specific for purchasing the license on gofundme or something. As long as you make it a “project only succeeds if targt donations are met” I will gladly donate CAD $500 ($380USD) towards the purchase of the license. Assuming you promise to immediately start implementing ALL of the measurements restorer-John has asked of you. I believe they included power handling, compression, and THD.

Or rather, since you have the software, run every possible test you can with it.

I would appreciate if you started this fund at the end of next week, as I could donate then, not right now. I don’t want my words to have nothing behind them. Perhaps I could have made this post next week but since this info is fresh and new I figure now should be the time to discuss it.
 
I chuckle and think of the amount of hubbub that would arise if a dislike feature was implemented.
 
Fewer but more comprehensive testing for posterity. Results simplified in tabulation or in a single chart where possible.
 
Please point out what disturbed you. If you can show my comments to be wrong in a personal sense, in keeping with the thread title or any reasonable fashion, I will happily withdraw them. I can take it.
Your constant negativity about the forum not being what you want is wearing wombat , by constant I mean since you got here.

Honesty one would think you are forced to be here .

Some of this thread is ok , I actually would like to see some kind of stress test but the tone from a few of you reads like demanding and spoilt 5 year olds .
 
Your constant negativity about the forum not being what you want is wearing wombat , by constant I mean since you got here.

Honesty one would think you are forced to be here .

Some of this thread is ok , I actually would like to see some kind of stress test but the tone from a few of you reads like demanding and spoilt 5 year olds .

Typical denial put down. Predicted.

I see generalised public put-downs are OK for management personnel. Something I avoid.

No point belonging to a club where the bouncer rules over rationality. Bye.
 
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Your constant negativity about the forum not being what you want is wearing wombat , by constant I mean since you got here.

Honesty one would think you are forced to be here .

Some of this thread is ok , I actually would like to see some kind of stress test but the tone from a few of you reads like demanding and spoilt 5 year olds .
Should be a stress test for some members here >@^_*@< Perhaps some of the psychiatric people can make one up and we can get to the bottom of this! (Nothing to do with you Wombat I'm just making fun.)
 
I understand and it is a point of curiosity on my end as well. I have spent many hours on it as a matter of fact. But I keep running into roadblocks. Klippel has a great method for assessing max SPL limiting it by THD and even temperature of the voice coil! Alas, it too required a license to run. Their standard test mechanism uses fixed signals so it is not like Audio Precision where I can just set up a level sweep. Without that optional module, it insists on frequency sweep and only that sweep. So something will be coming but just not right now.

There it is folks. Its coming - just not yet. Looks like there is significant expense and roadblocks to go over. Hopefully the membership will step up in the coming weeks/months.

I must say some of us in this thread are being quite impatient and I wish Amir, you had said something sooner to the above effect.
 
Typical denial put down. Predicted. No point belonging to a club where the bouncer rules over rationality. Bye.
Nothing rational about saying the forum is full of subjectivity ' these days '.

Your not rational in you criticism of this board .
 
We knew loudspeaker testing was going to be a whole other ball-game. My suggestion at the time it floated as a possibility, was to stay out of it altogether- either do it comprehensively or not at all. My suggestion was to focus more on detailed amplifier and component testing.

Based on the poll Amir also instigated on what people wanted to see reviewed, amplification and other electronic categories were more desired it would appear than loudspeakers. What exactly has happened to that poll and its results, I'm not sure, perhaps it was deleted by the OP? (I can't find it anymore)

Not being one to take no for an answer, Amir has stumped up a ton of cash for a SOTA Klippel NFS test rig and is pumping out tons of data in good faith. That is admirable. And brave.

So, we've all played ball and aired our complaints and suggestions in this dedicated thread so as to not poison the review threads and yet, even here, it is not a safe place to do so without heated attacks on members and summary dismissal of considered posts.

So, I'm getting in before the lock and saying we can do better. :)
 
We knew loudspeaker testing was going to be a whole other ball-game. My suggestion at the time it floated as a possibility, was to stay out of it altogether- either do it comprehensively or not at all. My suggestion was to focus more on detailed amplifier and component testing.

Based on the poll Amir also instigated on what people wanted to see reviewed, amplification and other electronic categories were more desired it would appear than loudspeakers. What exactly has happened to that poll and its results, I'm not sure, perhaps it was deleted by the OP? (I can't find it anymore)

Not being one to take no for an answer, Amir has stumped up a ton of cash for a SOTA Klippel NFS test rig and is pumping out tons of data in good faith. That is admirable. And brave.

So, we've all played ball and aired our complaints and suggestions in this dedicated thread so as to not poison the review threads and yet, even here, it is not a safe place to do so without heated attacks on members and summary dismissal of considered posts.

So, I'm getting in before the lock and saying we can do better. :)
I agree with what your asking , Amirm has a basic set of priority's based on informing people what speaker are decent and what's trash.

The power handling specs are a joke and mean little so i too would like to see that challenged like you say.

Is this a thing you or another member can do off their own back as it would be great information and I don't think you need this expensive rig to do it.
 
I don't have not that perfect knowledge like others, so it's more a question like a complaint.
But if we don't measure what comes clean on spl out of a speaker. Are we than not in danger that extremly dsp'd mini speakers look much better than they realy are?
 
I agree with what your asking , Amirm has a basic set of priority's based on informing people what speaker are decent and what's trash.

The power handling specs are a joke and mean little so i too would like to see that challenged like you say.

Is this a thing you or another member can do off their own back as it would be great information and I don't think you need this expensive rig to do it.
Well that isn't logistically reasonable because we aren't where Amir is. We could start doing power handling tests of what is at our disposal using an agreed upon testing method, but the list won't intersect with ASR reviews except by happenstance.
 
Well that isn't logistically reasonable because we aren't where Amir is. We could start doing power handling tests of what is at our disposal using an agreed upon testing method, but the list won't intersect with ASR reviews except by happenstance.
I'm sure with a bit of effort we could build a good reference database of these measurements.

Psychoacoustic science is one thing but a lot of these measurements will confuse people digging into the power handling it's relevant and easy to understand for Joe bloggs.
 
Well that isn't logistically reasonable because we aren't where Amir is.

Hawaii is as good a place to meet in the middle. ;)

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