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I think the newer ones aren't as pretty, but some of their older models are beautiful. They aren't that great as a speaker thoughSonus Faber for furniture grade speakers
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805D4 HiFi-News
it is the most smiling of the new D4 series
They get them for free and since it is a British manufacturer they are promoting the UK
QueueCumber
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Disappointing seeing those 801 D4 measurements. The 803 D3, while not perfect by any means, had a smoother response than I’ve seen on the D4s presently. It looks like they’re heading in the opposite direction. I guess I’ll skip this iteration and wait to see what else comes down the pike.
I like the B&W treble house sound in the 803 D3s because speakers that run too neutral in certain treble ranges end up sounding too “hot” to me. They irritate me over time (particularly female vocal sibilance). Not sure why this is the case, but I lost a lot of money selling a Revel Ultima2 surround setup because I could not remediate the issue between my ears and the speakers.
Sound and noise sensitivities run in my family, and my hearing has been checked regularly by audiologists (no hearing loss or issues). I’m guessing the sibilance sensitivity probably helped my ancestors to survive predators hiding in the brush….
I like the B&W treble house sound in the 803 D3s because speakers that run too neutral in certain treble ranges end up sounding too “hot” to me. They irritate me over time (particularly female vocal sibilance). Not sure why this is the case, but I lost a lot of money selling a Revel Ultima2 surround setup because I could not remediate the issue between my ears and the speakers.
Sound and noise sensitivities run in my family, and my hearing has been checked regularly by audiologists (no hearing loss or issues). I’m guessing the sibilance sensitivity probably helped my ancestors to survive predators hiding in the brush….
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I have had five (5) different B&W Speakers here in my studio over the past decade.
1 - 802N
2 - 800D2
3 - 802D
4 - 802D2
5 - 802D3
The worse sounding were from the 802D3, 802D2 800D2 and 802N. Worse sounding first in this order.
I ended up keeping the 802D as they sounded the smoothest and I could actually make them disappear in the room. Not so much for the rest.
B&W 802D measurement.
I have these far from the back wall so the increase in the bass area is actually desirable in this situation.
1 - 802N
2 - 800D2
3 - 802D
4 - 802D2
5 - 802D3
The worse sounding were from the 802D3, 802D2 800D2 and 802N. Worse sounding first in this order.
I ended up keeping the 802D as they sounded the smoothest and I could actually make them disappear in the room. Not so much for the rest.
B&W 802D measurement.
I have these far from the back wall so the increase in the bass area is actually desirable in this situation.
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Kii Three x B&W 801D4 both from German Audio magazine.
Compare not only on axis but also vertical (10°, green) and horizontal (30°, blue) dispersions....
Compare not only on axis but also vertical (10°, green) and horizontal (30°, blue) dispersions....
Used to have 802N, 802D, 802D2, 800D sold them all switched to KEF!I have had five (5) different B&W Speakers here in my studio over the past decade.
1 - 802N
2 - 800D2
3 - 802D
4 - 802D2
5 - 802D3
The worse sounding were from the 802D3, 802D2 800D2 and 802N. Worse sounding first in this order.
I ended up keeping the 802D as they sounded the smoothest and I could actually make them disappear in the room. Not so much for the rest.
B&W 802D measurement.
I have these far from the back wall so the increase in the bass area is actually desirable in this situation.
Listen to the 802D3 they sounded very metallic to me!
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In my opinion the 802D3 produced a very realistic soundstage, for me not harsh or metallic at all!
Especially male voices where more coherent and had more body compared to the Blade. (upper bass/lower mid region)
But i think it is very hard to discuss these kind of subjects, if we listen to speakers in different accoustic circumstances and with different equipment.
The room where i listened 802/Blade, had a lower then normal ceiling hight and a lot of accoustic damping measures where taken.
Especially male voices where more coherent and had more body compared to the Blade. (upper bass/lower mid region)
But i think it is very hard to discuss these kind of subjects, if we listen to speakers in different accoustic circumstances and with different equipment.
The room where i listened 802/Blade, had a lower then normal ceiling hight and a lot of accoustic damping measures where taken.
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It received outstanding product!
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I thought flat frequency responses are supposed to be the nirvana!
That's my question. Take the PMC MB2(se) (prof. studio monitor) with its nearly ruler flat frequency response vs. B&W 800D3. The MB2 is literally a simple wooden box. No special "anti-vibration". The chassis aren't decoupled. At higher levels the whole box starts vibrating. In contrast the 800D3 is technically very sophisticated and "build like a rock". Both are roughly in the same price range.It received outstanding product!
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I thought flat frequency responses are supposed to be the nirvana!
Driven by the same "system" (Topping D90se, Benchmark LA4, Bryston 14B3), the MB2 "sound" "boring dull". Especially at lower levels. The 800D3 meanwhile disappear completely already at very low levels and present "an image of the music". Particularly with (good) live recordings the 800D3 give a "lifelike" performance which is not achieved by the MB2. This is a subjective perception! With the MB2 one can hear a phenomenal singing voice, or hear a trumpet, or hear a contrabass. With the 800D3 one can see a subtle image of the person/face behind the singing voice, or see the trumpet in the back, or see the vibrating strings of a contrabass.
I guess now it is up to us to choose which "simulation" we prefer?
Not sure I would use PMC as an example of ‘ruler flat’.
Keith
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