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ARTTI T10 - PLANAR IEM

I have sent you message also but anyway , ok1, my appreciation...planar I will choose and arti t10(56e) or ew300(62e) std i will decide somehow..t10 were here very well evaluated ew300 less mentioned but will read and decide..both candidates could be eq-ed and brought to recommended sound line..probably harman....autoeq can do that...when you can't hear and compare its difficult to decide. Thanks to nice very helpfull and competitive people from forum on assistance...
 
If its better and probaly it is I will(Jimbob54) no need for dac in EW300 (herr.jemine) I have hidizs...
To answer your original question- kinda-


If you are going to EQ I would suggest pick the one that can fit better- IMO the Hexa struggles there , the T10 I suspect is a more universal better fit (have both but of course we all have different ears)

If you wont be using EQ- pick your poison but the Hexa is a "flatter" sound, for sure.

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I have sent you message also but anyway , ok1, my appreciation...planar I will choose and arti t10(56e) or ew300(62e) std i will decide somehow..t10 were here very well evaluated ew300 less mentioned but will read and decide..both candidates could be eq-ed and brought to recommended sound line..probably harman....autoeq can do that...when you can't hear and compare its difficult to decide. Thanks to nice very helpfull and competitive people from forum on assistance...
FYI the EW300 (has three variants btw- I would get the DSP) is a tribrid

"The EW300 features a tribrid setup consisting of one dynamic driver, one micro-planar driver and one piezoelectric driver "
 
The Hexa is now almost 2 years "old" and a lot has happened in that time, EW300 DSP - This Is the New *hit
I disagree, Hexa stays relevant for a reason. EW300 is still in its honeymoon phase. We don't know yet if it will still be talked about in two years time. I give it a 50% change given the reception so far.
 
I am in dillema t10 or hexa for jazz...mainly...one member recommended me hexa...I wait one more opinion from here to conclude.. artti is cheaper slightly and has good reputation from some people on forum. I would like to know what people with experiance think- ergonomy is important but would not like to open duscussion...so just sound.
I find the Artti T10 excellent for listening to jazz on my 1-2.5 mile walks. And when my playlist puts out songs with solid bass lines they do deliver bass richly.

[My streaming music player is an old LG cell phone with quad-Dac and I do deploy a nice portable amplifier. My age related hearing loss is too complex for portable device EQ-ing so just slightly give Left/Right decibel balancing.]

I settled on large 3rd party ear tips as dependably sealing the T10 while walking in contrast to my dynamic driver iems where the medium ear tips suit me. Even doing a little slow jog crossing a street intersection hasn’t dislodged the seal. For what it may matter lying on my back I’ve gone asleep wearing them with no residual ear pain from head lolling on the pillow.

(Upthread I describe the comfortable brand of ear tip I’m now favoring that is wide bore; the same company says their narrow bore typically gives more bass. Also upthread I describe removing the cables’ over ear plastic sleeves whose rigidity were tension lifting off-seal the T10 iem body in my particular case.)

They are very practical for summer use outdoors because can wear a wide brim straw hat with the T10 in ears. I have 2 old over ear planar headphones which only suit baseball cap style hats and wearing that kind of rig gets hot during summer.
 
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To answer your original question- kinda-


If you are going to EQ I would suggest pick the one that can fit better- IMO the Hexa struggles there , the T10 I suspect is a more universal better fit (have both but of course we all have different ears)

If you wont be using EQ- pick your poison but the Hexa is a "flatter" sound, for sure.

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Love your signature. Indeed there are so many temptations. Takes a lot of discipline on my part, to not buy any more.
 
I've found the Fiio/Jade Audio JA11 dongle provides plenty of amplification for the T10; I'm listening at half volume most of the time. Pretty happy with the stock tuning on the T10, so have not felt the need to fiddle with EQ on the JA11.
Won't they open up more interms of dynamics, texture, resolution, sound stage etc with more power.. i hear this usually from planar stuff reviews..
 
Won't they open up more interms of dynamics, texture, resolution, sound stage etc with more power.. i hear this usually from planar stuff reviews..
Using the headphones.com calculator and being conservative with the required loudness. The screenshot below gives an idea, assuming we are not playing too loud (and the 110 dB is used to accomodate peaks), so we should be able to do 90dB average loudness comfortably, with 110dB peaks.

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So we need 25 milliwatts approx.

The million dollar question if one wants to use specs to check this is - how many milliwatts does the JA11 output into a 16 ohm load, similar to the 16.5 ohm load of the Artti T10?. This detail is NOT quoted in the JA11 specifications, I have been able to find.
 
I have sent you message also but anyway , ok1, my appreciation...planar I will choose and arti t10(56e) or ew300(62e) std i will decide somehow..t10 were here very well evaluated ew300 less mentioned but will read and decide..both candidates could be eq-ed and brought to recommended sound line..probably harman....autoeq can do that...when you can't hear and compare its difficult to decide. Thanks to nice very helpfull and competitive people from forum on assistance...
Maybe this may help you in your decision. Most like me, are just like you, not being able to hear an IEM before I buy.

There is one characteristic that I have experienced with the T10, more than with any other headphone or IEM. It's presentation of stereo is so accurate, that any imbalance in :

1. Human hearing, because of a difference in hearing between left and right ear,
2. Imbalance in left/right from the headphone amp or headphone amp of the DAC,
3. Stereo imbalance in the track or audio source, you are listening to
4. Or manufacturing difference from the headphone itself, where one side is louder than the other
5. Or could be from differences in insertion depth between the left and right ear pieces.

Was far more noticeable.

I have had to implement a slightly complicated calibration, in my setup, where in my audio path, I convert the audio to mono, and use a stereo monitoring tool, to rebalance the audio to center, based on listening, to counter any variations/imbalance of stereo caused by reasons 1, 2, and 4.

After this calibration, I then turn of the mono processing.

Compared to any other listening device I have heard, the T10 is the most sensitive, that tells my ears immediately something is NOT balanced in the stereo field. Any slight difference is noticeable, and draws my attention to this imbalance, until I correct it using the calibration process described above.

I'll also read a few reviews on the EW300. Looks interesting. My issue with a hybrid driver IEM is - how well integrated are the three drivers. Cos each segment in the frequency spectrum will sound different, and the issue is - does it sound like a single earpiece with three drivers. The transient response of each segment of the frequency will be different. Kind of hard to tell unless you hear from someone who has heard both the T10 and the EW300, and can give you an informed opinion.
 
Another Jazz listener here and the T10 are pretty true to the recording. For Blue Note stuff, which are the normally the RVG re-masters on streaming, I like a bit of a bass boost. For modern jazz, like Napa Sinephro, Nubya Garcia etc I listen without EQ.
 
Ste_S agree with you 1/1...mater of production..somewhere need more bass then midrange somewhere on vocals...and somewhere trumpets are so painfull on bright settings, but thanks for info and your experiance..it mean to me..I think I'm closer to artti more and more...anyway i will play with eq..
 
you can't go wrong with the T10, I own both,
if you have a sensitive ear you will notice that the EW300 is more holographic,
the separation of background, voices and instruments is amazing.
If you only use Spotify you won't notice any difference
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Some interesting notes on the T10. My bedroom is on an upper floor. A member of my family came home yesterday, they said hi to me, used the bathroom, and went to their room, but I heard none of this. I was thinking of calling this person to ask "when are you coming home?", not realising they were already at home, and had been at home for 3 hours. Not sure if this good or bad. I do live in a quiet area, but the seal, via the tips which came with the T10, which give me the best fit/seal, are that isolating, it does need a really good seal for the bass to sound great, but at the cost of pretty good isolation. I do not use the T10 outside the home, and from this experience would be wary of using it out on the street, cos I may miss important sounds of approaching danger, or anyone attempting to get my attention, in the public.

The second issue is occasionally I get a "reset" of the sonics, that is most likely associated with some kind of air pressure release via the vents. The T10 has some technology, related to this, but I have to study this a bit more. This adjustment occurs at random, typically when maybe I cough or some other random event involving possibly a movement or change in the air seal. The result is a shift in the stereo balance. Fortunately I am listening via a DAW, so I have a plugin which I use to re-center the audio, and cancel out the stereo imbalance.

Oh there is the third issue. A slight difference in frequency response, between left and right ear. Unless I went through a professional ear test, I would not know if this difference in frequency response, is caused by my own ears, or the IEM. I rarely listen to any other listening devices, besides the T10, any more, and I am not too bothered about this frequency variation, otherwise by checking out some other headphones, I could deduce if its my ears, or its the T10. If it's my ears, this imbalance would most likely be repeated on many other listening devices. A similar check applies to the stereo imbalance, could some of this be my own ears, one hearing better than the other, or a difference in the frequency response of my own ears contributing to one ear appearing more sensitive than the other?

I did read somewhere that planar magnetics are "newer" technology than dynamics, so manufacturers do not have as much experience with consistency in the frequency response.

Someone remarked in a recent post about the difference between the T10 and the Simgot EW300 being negligible, via Spotify. I would add, that the T10 makes the free Spotify sound very good, and reduces any desire I may have had, to make the effort to hear the uncompressed audio, via CD or uncompressed digital files., or lossless streaming. I think that with something like the T10, any further upgrades should be more about improving the source, as a priority, rather than think of a change to another IEM.

What you hear is so dependent on the source. I find them very analytical, they show up the very best recorded and mixed and mastered material as good, and any corners or artistic preferences that compromised the audio are also clear to hear. Every single track you hear even from the same album/music artist, sounds different, and audio from different albums sound even more different, from each other. You get a sense of how much effort was made at the time of each production, to retain the clarity of the music, or otherwise. Listening to some Maroon 5 right now, and its really revealing, of how "tight" and multi-layered their sound is. So easy to hear everything, on every piece of music.

Without applying some crossfeed, the sound could be a bit too wide for some. These are the widest ear based listening devices, I have heard.

The discomfort I had initially with using larger eartips, than what I was accustomed to, has gone completely. No pain or pressure whatsoever. Maybe my ears adapted ! Now they feel so comfortable, I can wear them all day, and typically do.

And they make Youtube audio sound really good, and engaging. A recommended "quality of life" improvement tool.
 
Using the headphones.com calculator and being conservative with the required loudness. The screenshot below gives an idea, assuming we are not playing too loud (and the 110 dB is used to accomodate peaks), so we should be able to do 90dB average loudness comfortably, with 110dB peaks.

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So we need 25 milliwatts approx.

The million dollar question if one wants to use specs to check this is - how many milliwatts does the JA11 output into a 16 ohm load, similar to the 16.5 ohm load of the Artti T10?. This detail is NOT quoted in the JA11 specifications, I have been able to find.
The description says it can give 30mW at 32ohms.. if rest is costant it might give approx 60mW at 16ohms..
My doubt isnt about power required to get desired loudness. Its about 'scaling'. By scaling i meant iem performing better technically with more power.. i see it in planar iem reviewes.
 
The description says it can give 30mW at 32ohms.. if rest is costant it might give approx 60mW at 16ohms..
My doubt isnt about power required to get desired loudness. Its about 'scaling'. By scaling i meant iem performing better technically with more power.. i see it in planar iem reviewes.
This brings up how voltage and power do not rule one another. Although more voltage output makes for louder music that does not necessarily mean it is providing more power. And likewise potential power is not the only paradigm with regard to sound fidelity.

In music the more frequent voltage demands give the amplification circuit less time to alter the voltage for matching the load. And music needs greater current output from the amplification circuit to drive various voltage swings. With high current capability we get greater voltage being driven to match the musical load. Thus voltage swing is not simply the swing of more voltage and the feature of excellent headphone amps is how it responds to the headphone load the amp is "seeing" in real time.

Current is needed to drive power when voltage is being deployed. If the phone or portable headphone amp doesn't have current for musical transient peaks the treble loses dynamics and the bass gets flat. Just driving volume at high can cause musical compression. Bass music has greater peaks than mid-frequencies and higher frequencies have higher musical peaks than both bass and mid-frequencies.

There is more power used at higher frequency swings. We can turn up the volume to get high voltage but the phone and simple portable headphone amplifiers are by design current limited especially at higher frequencies. This is a design and materials' price point cost benefit factor since these apparatuses lack internal significant heat sinks to cope with high power and thus are designed to limit current in order to prevent overheating (and potential plastic melting) during especially higher musical frequencies.

Which is by way of explaining why I "perceive" my iems sound a little better to me when deploy a good portable headphone amplifier with my cell phones, which (iPhone and LG with quad dac) can none-the-less play them at ear splitting volume. The combination of moderate cell phone volume plus the portable headphone amp is, according to my thinking, supplying more current on demand making ideal "scaling".
 
The description says it can give 30mW at 32ohms.. if rest is costant it might give approx 60mW at 16ohms..
My doubt isnt about power required to get desired loudness. Its about 'scaling'. By scaling i meant iem performing better technically with more power.. i see it in planar iem reviewes.
I fully understand your point. When you say perform technically better, what does that mean. How do we quantify that?

Here is my interpretation. Planar Magnetics, have a higher dynamic range, in theory, compared to dynamics. This implies that dynamics are introducing some compression/limiting in the audio signal. And the various tests by reviewers demonstrate this in their measurements, that planars have less distortion, than dynamics. Distortion being the result of compression or limiting.

I.e to get the best result from a planar, the headphone amp has to have ample headroom, before its power runs out, and it becomes the limiting factor. This is where the "more power" you stated comes into play.

More power allows any transients to be fully transferred from the headphone amp, to the planar magnetic, without the headphone amp being the limiting factor, creating the compression/distortion/limiting, because it cannot properly deliver an uncompressed version of the transient, to the planar.

In my earlier comments where I was aiming for a 90dB SPL average listening level, I made an allowance for transients of up to 20 dB above this, so I used 110dB SPL, in the target calculation, to accomodate such transients. This should be more than enough for most commercially produced music.

So if you assume the JA11 can deliver 60 mW @ 16 ohms, that should be more than sufficient to deliver a 90dB average SPL, with headroom to take transients above this to 110dB SPL - momentarily, so you do not lose any of the detail in the music.

It then begs the question, is this an answer seeking a problem? Why the JA11? Would the better answer be to purchase a different device that clearly has no issues with power delivery? Is the reason for preferring the JA11 cost? At this time, the JA11 is less than $15 in most places sold. Which puts it at about $6 dollars more than the best bargain ever in dongles, the Apple dongle, which is OK, if not the best.

I own an Apple dongle, the US version, but only use it for phone calls and online chats/meetings, since I moved to a TempoTec Sonata BHD, for all my other listening.

I think the specs of the JA11 are pretty good and actually outstanding, for the price. If I was starting out today, knowing what I know now, I think the JA11 would be ok, to power most IEMs, including the ARTTI T10, albeit I have not listened to my ARTTI T10's via the Apple Dongle US version.

I mention the Apple Dongle US version cos it has very similar power spec to the JA11 - with a measured 31 mW @ 33 ohms see review below.


The Apple dongle drove my other IEMs to far far more than enough level - in simple English, I would go completely deaf, within a few seconds, if I ever attempted to listen to the Apple dongle at max volume. I'm usually at well over 30dB attenuation digitally on my computer, when listening to my other IEMS via the Apple dongle.

As long as you are aware of the potential issues with JA11 firmware updates, which are either required or NOT required ( I cannot remember which it is), please for the current cost of typically less than $15, including delivery costs, please go ahead and buy the JA11, and it should do a good job with the ARTTI T10, or any other IEM, and have enough headroom to deliver excellent dynamics, i.e what you describe as technicality, to any typical IEM, dynamics or planar magnetics like the ARRTI T10.

I may also buy the JA11, whenever I find it on sale, cos it would have one advantage over the Apple dongle, which needs a headphone plugged in, for it to be recognised in Windows. I prefer to be able to swap headphones on a dongle, without the dongle "vanishing" in Windows, every time I do this, and me needing to reconfigure any apps attached to the dongle every single time this happens !!

A few years ago, the kind of quality I can expect sonically from the JA11, would have cost several hundred dollars, at the least. It's a bargain. Just buy it. It is the best budget alternative to the Apple dongle, that I am aware of. And it has the Android App to setup custom EQ's. As a bonus.
 
you can't go wrong with the T10, I own both,
if you have a sensitive ear you will notice that the EW300 is more holographic,
the separation of background, voices and instruments is amazing.
If you only use Spotify you won't notice any difference
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What are the yellow tips on the Simgot please?
 
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