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You can never have enough tips, I also use them on the MP145 and they seal perfectly there too!
I don't touch my big over-ear headphones anymore... these IEMs just sound so incredibly good
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ARTTI T10 - PLANAR IEM
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I don't touch my big over-ear headphones anymore... these IEMs just sound so incredibly good
They are also the same that come with 7Hz Sonus (with Kbear 08 too).
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5.9mm at the widest . As noted in the linked post it's quite short too
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Finally got round to ordering the 7hz Zero 2's. Should arrive in a week or so from now.
I have one serious issue with the T10's, well two., actually three.
1. The frequency response from the left earpiece has more bass, than the right ear piece.
2. The left is louder than the right.
3. The frequency response when plugged into unbalanced headphone outputs is brighter and with anaemic bass, compared to the response on the balanced headphone outputs of my TempoTec Sonata BHD DAC Dongle. Started a thread on this today on ASR, still working on getting to the bottom of this issue.
Temporary fix for 1 and 2 have been to adjust the stereo balance, in software on Windows or on my Android smartphone.
Pretty happy with the T10, with these exceptions/caveats. I had thought, wow, I would not need to get another IEM for a long while. Definitely love the planar magnetic sound. Sad that my copy of the T10 is imbalanced.
ARTTI T10 PRO
Which makes me feel bad, did I buy the unprofessional version
Looks like this is a revision, which looks to me to be more cosmetic than sonic. What's new.?
1. The shell is visually more modern looking
2. Comes with an interchangeable 3.5mm/4.4mm unbalanced/balanced cable. Now that is great. Really great.
A bit expensive at this time. Unfortunately I will NOT be getting out the payment card for this. Still unhappy with the quality control on the T10, which has an imbalance in the audio level between left and right earpieces. Basically I wasted my money on the T10, cos its fundamentally useless with such an imbalance in level and frequency response. I have no assurance that the same thing will not be present in the T10 Pro. Can't waste any more money. Too risky. Already spent far more than I would have wanted to, to get the T10., and all that money is lost, due to a fault, and I cannot return it.
Thank you for all your excellent and helpful counsel.
My recent journey (about 12 months) through the consumer products, like dongle DACs and earbuds/IEM's and cables, has been enlightening. The thrill of discovering how much superb listening could be had for what is truly astoundingly inexpensive outlays, has been promising. No regrets. I've bagged a few bargains, which far exceed in value, how much I paid for them.
My gripe is, I've been let down by a few products, IEMs predominantly. Bought 4, and not satisfied 100% with any of them. Of course I'm responsible for the products I chose to buy.
1. CCA CRA - still have it and it's my back up IEM, but the KZ ZVX and the ARTTI T10 opened up the world of even better sonics, so my initial love for the CRA has been readjusted. It still holds the place of the 1st proper IEM I bought. Not bad for the price. NO regrets.
2. KZ ZVX - loved it when it arrived, but paint began peeling within the 1st 24 hours, loved it so much I decided to keep it for the improvement I heard over the CCA CRA, then a few months later the stereo balance went really bad, no longer usable. Could be user error. Had in in my ears while I slept, and thereafter the stereo balance became unacceptable.
3. CCA Polaris - my copy was most likely dead on arrival. Thankfully I did not spend that much on it, so no regrets. Chose not to return it.
4. ARRTI T10 - absolutely love the sound. Superb device for listening to everything. The clarity is out of this world. The best listening device I have ever heard, for personal listening, in my entire life. Knocks my AKG K702 out of the park easily, for outstanding clarity, frequency response, its just a superb listening device. My 1st planar magnetic. On a good day when the stereo balance is not too lop sided, its listening heaven. Have not figured out why the stereo balance is dynamic, i.e changes over time, for reasons I can't figure out. Suspecting that it has something to do with vents, or driver flex, it has two vents in each earpiece, compared to a max of 1 vent in all my other IEMs. Some days, it's somewhat acceptable, but this stereo balance can change, without notice. Could be my ears, Could be the DAC dongle, which occasionally when I disconnect and reconnect, the stereo balance improves - I know - sounds implausible, but it could be that my leaning forward to do this, may change the air lock/fit or release some air in the IEM vents. Makes no sense that a DAC could have variable stereo balance. At other times, no matter how many times I connect or disconnect the DAC dongle, the stereo balance in the T10 remains unacceptably one sided. On some occasions like right now, the stereo balance is almost perfect, and any variation, is probably a reflection of a possible imbalance in my own hearing, requiring only the slightest adjustment of stereo balance, in software. Those are the good days.
Always tempting, the promise of a lot, for not much money.
5. A 7hz Zero 2 is on its way. Had to get it, especially as it's also available with exceptional discounts, down to about £15(including tax + free shipping).
6. A KZ EDC Pro is also on its way. Hoping this can replace the CCA CRA, as my "budget" reference IEM.
When I add up the costs, of all the "test" purchases, which have allowed me to dip into the currently available lower cost products, it does add up. The allure being, one does not notice the cost, of the individual purchases, but it does add up.
Going forward, now that I have what I would consider a foundation of the lower priced items, its time to leave the budget category, and resist the temptation, of the never ending new product releases. Like KZ which will do a version 2 and a Pro and an X version, or the new ARTTI T10 Pro, which does not indicate in the available marketing blurb, any sonic improvements over the T10.
My thinking is that at the budget end, it is a bit of a gamble. But there is a lesson in this. The two products that I am about 95% satisfied with, the Apple dongle DAC, and the TempoTec Sonata BHD, have something in common. These are major players in their market segment. So going forward, will pay a bit more attention to the brand
Going forward, the wish list will include, 1 more bigger budget planar magnetic - e.g Hidizs MP 145, and maybe a dip into the hybrid segment. Maybe. And when I can afford one, a HIfiman over the ear planar magnetic.
Right now the ARTTI T10 is behaving itself, or could be my ears !!. These are the days of sonic heaven, days truly worth looking forward to, when everything heard from the IEM sounds stunningly clear, if the source was well recorded, mixed and produced, and every flaw is also effortlessly discernible.
By listening using other headphones, and checking also on a different DAC, there is a consistent reality, my left and right ears, do not hear identically, there is a frequency response difference/and a level difference. And this level difference varies throughout the day.
So the issue I had with the ARRTI T10, is far more likely to be my own hearing imbalances, rather than any imbalance in the IEM left and right earpieces. I've attempted to improve the end result by adjusting the stereo balance in my playback software. Also am getting used to this issue, can't change my ears. May have them checked soon. the ears.
What I can say is the ARRTI T10, more than any other IEM, provided the kind of full range frequency response, that highlighted this hearing issue, far more than any other IEM or headphone I own.
I had been using the largest of the white eartips with black inner bore, which came with the T10, to achieve a proper fit, but that was a compromise, which boosted the bass, but one does not know until one hears something different. Then I bought the set of 3 Large eartips, with a relatively wide internal bore, from AliExpress - the TRI Clarion. The Clarion provides the kind of clarity, which avoids any need for EQ, brightening things up a bit, and transient response is much improved. The fit of the TRI Clarion is better, more comfortable, yet excellent at isolation, and creating a very very good seal, without discomfort. Just right.
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Thanks. was able to find AudioAmigo who has measured both, so I can directly compare.
Guess it's a budget constraint for me. Am curious, but not enough to justify buying the T10 Pro. The T10 is one of the best value items I have ever invested in, it has changed my perception of what is possible in audio. So much so that I started encouraging everyone in my sphere of influence - get a planar magnetic listening device, IEM or Headphone, cos the improvement in what I could hear, over the dynamic IEM's I had been listening to, was pretty significant.
Now I have the T10 and am happy with it, I do still hope to buy some more IEM's and headphones and speakers, but there would have to be even more justification, for me to spend any significant sums. Of course significant sums means different things to different people.
Been looking at other Planar Magnetics and Hybrids. Probably am not likely to get any more single DD IEM's after acquiring the 7Hz Zero 2 recently, which was more of a FOMO purchase. I just had to, in case there was something in it. Not a bad single DD IEM, but not in the same league as the T10.
But it would need to be something really special, to get me to invest. For now, so far, nothing yet. T10 seems to have done planar correctly, from all I can deduce.
I'm especially sensitive to the frequencies around 300hz, and if the T10 Pro has these even more boosted than the T10, definitely NOT my cup of tea. Besides, I'm already running the T10 through EQ correction, by AutoEQ.app, which corrects to its own IEM standard.
Me thinks the T10 Pro is a side step, with better cosmetics and the modular cable, and metal shell instead of "plastic shell". Sonically, no information yet has been revealed about any improvements in the fundamentals, the driver. Sure probably anyone who does NOT own a T10 yet, should go for the T10 Pro. It is still good value for money.
I just had an "experience" with the T10's that I cannot explain. Listening over and over to Luther Vandross single - Never Too Much, from the album of the same name., from 1981
I'm used to some tracks having width, i.e stereo width., and one can pinpoint where instruments and voices are, in that left to right axis.,
I'm familiar with depth, front and back, with some items occupying the forefront, in front of other items, in the mix.
But now I'm hearing two new elements in this track.
1. Width of source, i.e how large an instrument or voice is, as well as the position in the stereo field.
2. Now I'm hearing height, with some items coming from above, like Luther's voice, front and center, coming from from a point well above everything else, in the mix.
Stunned I am. Wow.
Waiting for the "scientists" to tell me, I must be hearing things.!!, that cannot be measured.....!!!!
I'm used to some tracks having width, i.e stereo width., and one can pinpoint where instruments and voices are, in that left to right axis.,
I'm familiar with depth, front and back, with some items occupying the forefront, in front of other items, in the mix.
But now I'm hearing two new elements in this track.
1. Width of source, i.e how large an instrument or voice is, as well as the position in the stereo field.
2. Now I'm hearing height, with some items coming from above, like Luther's voice, front and center, coming from from a point well above everything else, in the mix.
Stunned I am. Wow.
Waiting for the "scientists" to tell me, I must be hearing things.!!, that cannot be measured.....!!!!
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I don't know how it can be measured or quantified. But in the music production space we select and manipulate the audio elements to convey specific space, weight, size and probably other physical attributes.
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I returned the T10 because of lack of bass and distorted sound - sample set of one using stock ear canal adapters that came with it. My 7hz Zero 2's had full bass, great imaging, and undistorted sound - also sample set of one with stock tips. The bass response variation was probably ear canal fitment. The distortion may have been a defective unit or possibly a by product of fitment.
I recall when you mentioned some of this earlier. Can imagine that sure, the quality control may not be as stringent as products made by Sony, Sennheiser, Apple, Audeze, Dan Clark, Beyerdynamics.
Unfortunately most of these major manufacturers seem to have completely stuck their heads in sand and ignored the planar magnetic technology, in their products. Maybe their target market, is perfectly happy with what they already make, blissfully unaware that there is better out there.
The other thing I think is these major manufacturers do not want to cannibalise their existing portfolio, by introducing new products to compete with themselves.
As a fortunate owner of the Zero 2 (a recent acquisition), I can assure you, with no uncertainty whatsoever, a properly functioning T10, is NOT in the same league as the Zero 2, in any aspect of the features and sound quality. The T10, eclipses the Zero 2, in everything - build quality, packaging, range of sizes of eartips, cable quality, aesthetics, fit (in my ears), and the sonics is on another level, bass, mids, treble, stereo positioning, stereo width, height, depth, resolution, and literally no distortion at any level of loudness that I can hear. Only area where they are equal is in the quality of supplied eartips.
Unfortunate that your copy did not turn out ok. I'd still encourage, try any other well known planar magnetic IEM, cos it is worth it. The difference is so marked that I do not think I'll be buying any more dynamic IEMs, cos from the one's I own, I can't see how they'll ever compete with planars. The dynamic IEM's just do not have the level of resolution like the planar, in my limited experience, cos I have pretty much only the Zero 2 and the T10 as my proper dynamic and planar examples.
The Zero 2 is relegated to backup duties, e.g, when I may be out and about and there is the risk that I could damage or lose the IEM, I'll take the Zero 2. For all listening at home, no contest, its the T10.
| Brand | Model | Form Factor | Drivers | Planar Size |
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| Letshuoer | S12 | IEM | Planar | 14.8 |
| Letshuoer | Z12 | IEM | Planar | 14.8 |
| Hidizs | MP145 | IEM | Planar | 14.5 |
| 7hz | Salnotes Crinacle Dioko | IEM | Planar | |
| Hidizs | MP143 | IEM | Planar | 14.3 |
| TinHifi | P1 Max 2 (Giant Panda) | IEM | Planar | 14.2 |
| TinHifi | P1 Max | IEM | Planar | 14.2 |
| TinHifi | P2 | IEM | Planar | 14.2 |
| ARTTI | T10 | IEM | Planar | 14.2 |
| ARTTI | T10 Pro | IEM | Planar | 14.2 |
| RaptGo | Hook-X | IEM | Planar | |
| 7hz | Timeless 2 | IEM | Planar | 14.5 |
| 7Hz | Timeless | IEM | Planar | 14.2 |
| TinHifi | P1 Plus | IEM | Planar | 10 |
| TinHifi | P1 | IEM | Planar | 10 |
| TANGZU | Wu Zetian | IEM | Planar | |
| Delci | Klanar | IEM | Planar | |
| Dunu | Talos | IEM | Planar | |
| Shozy | P20 | IEM | Planar | |
| NiceHCK | F1 Pro | IEM | Planar | |
| TinHifi | Dudu | IEM | Planar | |
| KZ | PRX | IEM | Planar | |
| KZ | PR3 | IEM | Planar | |
| Sgor | Lunar | IEM | Planar | |
| Letshuoer | S08 | IEM | Planar | |
| Letshuoer | S15 | IEM | Planar | |
| Letshuoer | S12 2024 | IEM | Planar | |
| Letshuoer | S12 Pro | IEM | Planar | |
| TANGZU | x HBB Wu Heyday Edition | IEM | Planar |
I'd like to compare the Zero 2 with, one more higher end single or dual driver dynamic - such as the Truthear Crinacle Blue or Red, a hybrid like the Truthear Hexa, the T10 and one more well known planar such as one of those on the list below, and this will give me a good picture of which technology is the superior one. So I am not basing my opinions on just the limited set of IEM's I have heard.
Owning the Zero 2 and the T10 have done one thing for me, no more KZ budget IEMs. And probably no more KZ IEMs period., cheap but not worth the savings. Better to spend more and get more, we live only once, might as well hear our music very well., for just a little bit more cash, with non KZ investments.
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If I was buying solely on the basis of those 2 graphs I would definitely get the T10 pro- wayyyyyy smoother on the mids and treble. You could shelf up those if you so desired and a gentle dip around 200hz too.
Im not sure your many posts about the benefits of planar drivers per se are particularly compelling either. As with any tech, implementation is everything. As witnessed by this P1- what I believe was one of the first planar IEM- at least that got hype. Though granted we are a few years on from that now
I only own one planar the T10, so hopefully anyone reading my comments, should not arrive at any generalisation of planars, from my comments. Nevertheless, the only planar I own the T10, has made a huge impression on me, compared to the few other IEM's I own, which are single DD.
Not particularly mindful of compelling anyone with my opinions, just stating what I observe from my own listening. The difference to me is compelling, which is why I have bothered to share my opinions. The T10 really opened up a whole new world of listening and listening pleasure. Maybe I got lucky that the 1st and only planar I own was a good one.!
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Fair enough- but the stock FR are very different between the Z2 and the T10. I would suggest adding a bass shelf to the z2 , a peak at 2.2k and a pretty broad peak at 6k would produce something a lot similar in terms of presentation between the 2 once you get the levels pretty even.
For me the priorities for buying any IEM should be fit/ comfort primarily along with a stock FR that is smooth and low distortion to allow easy EQ.
The driver tech would be somewhere near the bottom of the list
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In fact- try it with the EQ attached. Not precise at all but will get you pretty close where it really matters
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It doesn't look bad at all, but I don't know how much I'd prefer this to the original T10.
I'm doing some testing with my own tracks and maybe the ideal would be a middle ground between the two. I'll have to listen more...
