All About UFO's

[oceansize]

sooooo

lemme try to understand this

for the last couple of weeks we have had a variety of drones with lights over various UK military airfields... the combined US UK forces there can observe these drones but they cannot be shot down (how the US UK cant do this puzzles me - shoot first ask questions later is a common thread)

for some they want to push the narrative that they are Russian... or Chinese... or even North Korean or even Iranian in origin (!!!) - anything but the 'unknown'

didnt the USAF shoot down a high altitude Chinese balloon a while back? And yet a few drones NOW poses problems?

something says that the entities are impervious to conventional weapons?

and we have UK citizens posting videos and commentary about such and instantly there youtube reddit twitter discord and whatever are all shut down on the same day!

sounds like some people dont want this sort of 3rd party feed getting out

what kind of pull does a government body have that they can get on the phone with google and twitter and reddit and pull down stuff immediately????

yeah nothing weird going on here... please proceed governor... or guv'nor

I'm pretty sure that the USAF waited until the balloon was over open water before shooting it down, to avoid collateral damage. The UK is much more densely populated than the US, the drones were flying at night for a shorter time and with a much less predictable flight path than a balloon.

 

[WillBrink]

Summary discussion from Congressional hearings,

I guess "we" don't use radar any more?
This being said, one would think that even the US military could round up an old searchlight or two - wouldn't one?
I read that some of these "drones" are on the order of 6 feet long (i.e., pushin' 2 meters) -- I think even I could spot one with a bright flashlight if it were running dark.

Claims are: they don't emit an RF signal, they go dark when anything approaches them, they stay up for 5-7 hours. Several sources claim Iran is behind it.

 

[terryforsythe]

I guess "we" don't use radar any more?

Supposedly the U.S. military has specialized drone detection and countermeasure systems. What has been stated by a NJ representative is that when the drones are detected they go dark. I also have heard stated that the drone countermeasure systems we have are not working on these drones.

There are a lot of speculation and rumors surrounding this issue, and the federal government is not providing much information beyond "we are looking into it". Meanwhile, drone incursions have been going on for years now, though previously they were mainly focussed on military assets.

 

[terryforsythe]

what kind of pull does a government body have that they can get on the phone with google and twitter and reddit and pull down stuff immediately????

That is not a new issue.

https://www.congress.gov/118/meeting/house/116615/documents/HHRG-118-FD00-20231130-SD002.pdf

 

[oceansize]

Supposedly the U.S. military has specialized drone detection and countermeasure systems. What has been stated by a NJ representative is that when the drones are detected they go dark. I also have heard stated that the drone countermeasure systems we have are not working on these drones.

There are a lot of speculation and rumors surrounding this issue, and the federal government is not providing much information beyond "we are looking into it". Meanwhile, drone incursions have been going on for years now, though previously they were mainly focussed on military assets.

It's almost is they aren't there at all.

 

[terryforsythe]

Summary discussion from Congressional hearings,


Claims are: they don't emit an RF signal, they go dark when anything approaches them, they stay up for 5-7 hours. Several sources claim Iran is behind it.

The White House disclaimed the Iran connection. Others have accused China, while still others accuse Russia. At this point, nobody seems to know. If they do know, they aren't saying.

On two different occasions this year, the latest being last week, Chinese nationals were arrested for flying drones over sensitive sites, the earlier one being a ship building yard on the east coast and the latest one being Vandenberg AFB.

These drone incursions are different, though. In a hearing before NJ's state legislature, the FBI again stated that they do not know from where they are coming, where they are going, nor who is controlling them, but they are investigating.

Also, a NJ public official stated (in the same hearing if I remember correctly) that he himself, along with a law enforcement officer, saw a fleet of drones, estimated to number around 50, coming in off the ocean. He did not see a ship from where they launched. There has been speculation that perhaps the drones were launched from a ship or submarine that was over the horizon.

But, who knows. Once again the U.S. federal government is keeping this entire subject surrounded in mystery, either intentionally or unintentionally.

 

[antcollinet]

something says that the entities are impervious to conventional weapons?

 

[antcollinet]

Also, a NJ public official stated (in the same hearing if I remember correctly) that he himself, along with a law enforcement officer, saw a fleet of drones, estimated to number around 50, coming in off the ocean.

Let me guess - neither of them managed to get a phone out to take a picture.

My guess is a flock of gulls.


So far the only actual video footage Ive seen has been devices with hobby drone type lighting on. with or without camera lens flare, Oh yes, and an actual helicopter.

Once again the U.S. federal government is keeping this entire subject surrounded in mystery, either intentionally or unintentionally.

What's the betting they are continuing to investigate because they have little choice if people keep reporting this stuff. But are keeping quiet because there really is nothing significant, compared to the heat and noise, to talk about. Just a bunch of hysteria.

 

[terryforsythe]

It's almost is they aren't there at all.

Or, they are there and they have been built or modified to evade detection and countermeasures.

 

[TonyJZX]

theyre over china now too

 

[antcollinet]

Once again the U.S. federal government is keeping this entire subject surrounded in mystery, either intentionally or unintentionally.

Claims are: they don't emit an RF signal, they go dark when anything approaches them, they stay up for 5-7 hours. Several sources claim Iran is behind it.

So many claims, so little evidence. How much of that stuff is shit made up by some random on the internet, and then repeated over and over by a billion I-want-to-believe-ers

 

[terryforsythe]

Let me guess - neither of them managed to get a phone out to take a picture.

He didn't say. Considering the law enforcement aspect, if there were video/pictures, I would not be surprised if they were sent to the FBI as part of the investigation and not yet released to the public.

Even if they did not, there are many videos of the drones over NJ. You have to weed through them, though, to filter out videos of planes, helicopters and stars to find the ones that really are drones. But, they are available, and some are pretty clear.

 

[terryforsythe]

So many claims, so little evidence.

Willful ignorance is not a virtue.

 

[oceansize]

He didn't say. Considering the law enforcement aspect, if there were video/pictures, I would not be surprised if they were sent to the FBI as part of the investigation and not yet released to the public.

Even if they did not, there are many videos of the drones over NJ. You have to weed through them, though, to filter out videos of planes, helicopters and stars to find the ones that really are drones. But, they are available, and some are pretty clear.

There are drones in NJ? Amazing! Are their operators little green men?

 

[antcollinet]

Willful ignorance is not a virtue.

Please feel free to post the evidence for those specific claims. Just by way of a hint - someone else claiming it is-not-equal to evidence.

 

[terryforsythe]

There are drones in NJ? Amazing! Are their operators little green men?

Clearly you have not seriously investigated the issue of drone incursions over U.S. assets and U.S. territory. At this point mockery is just evidence of ignorance.

 

[terryforsythe]

Please feel free to post the evidence for those specific claims. Just by way of a hint - someone else claiming it is-not-equal to evidence.

Stop being lazy and look for it yourself. A good starting point might be the hearing in the NJ legislature this past week.

 

[oceansize]

Clearly you have not seriously investigated the issue of drone incursions over U.S. assets and U.S. territory. At this point mockery is just evidence of ignorance.

Would you like to talk about US drone incursions over others military assets? Or the US's use of drones for assassinations?

 

[terryforsythe]

Would you like to talk about US drone incursions over others military assets? Or the US's use of drones for assassinations?

 

[oceansize]

Exactly. Now, back to our little discussion on little green men.