All About UFO's

[somebodyelse]

Oddly enough I've got a musician pal, who used to put "Jedi".

Yes, he's a big Star Wars fan.
More of a Dune fan myself, so might have to go for Wandering Zensunni.

He's not the only one. In the 2001 census it was the 4th largest religion in England and Wales.
Edit: Mart68 got there before me!

 

[Mart68]

He's not the only one. In the 2001 census it was the 4th largest religion in England and Wales.
Edit: Mart68 got there before me!

Too slow, you are.

 

[Audiofire]

Besides perhaps Star Wars, I don't know how that discussion is needed in the thread

 

[Chester]

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Oh, in terms of musician-religions... there was once, on the early internet, a Church of Kylie Minogue's Bottom.
Just please don't ask me why I know this.

I’d like to get ordained

 

[Mart68]

I’d like to get ordained

Get in line.

 

[Chr1]

I have seen the light

 

[sam_adams]

I have seen the light

 

[Audiofire]

Scientific evidence in this thread that people are animals - finally some science in the thread

 

[Axo1989]

Only right at the start I think and a lot of them didn't make it through the first winter.

Mostly it was Protestants from what is now Germany and Holland, and Catholics from Ireland and Italy. But they weren't escaping religious persecution. They were economic migrants.

I won't elaborate, but thanks and led me to peruse appropriate Wikipedia pages. Three 'Great Awakenings' spanning the centuries omfg.

Besides perhaps Star Wars, I don't know how that discussion is needed in the thread

I think 'needed' and 'this thread' are circles unlikely to ever form a Venn overlap.

 

[RayDunzl]

Serious question, prefer straight answers.

Who here has seen an undidentifiable something in the sky themselves?

 

[pinger]

I think intelligence plays a large role as well. I know people who have very strong beliefs but are also able to think critically and reevaluate based on new information.

Look at science generally…..long held beliefs turn out to be proven incorrect all the time and most scientists can accept that.

Wait! What? You mean there is no such thing as settled science?

 

[solderdude]

Serious question, prefer straight answers.

Who here has seen an undidentifiable something in the sky themselves?

About 55 years ago on a clear night I looked up and saw a bright light appeared to come down at a small angle, high speed.
It instantly 'stopped' and stayed there for several seconds and then shot away (also instantly) in a different direction (horizontal).
I lived near an airport and have seen how planes behave and what lights they carry. I was outside at that moment. No glass in front of me (also no glasses) so couldn't have been a reflection and certainly wasn't a plane. I have mo clue of the distance/size. It was just a bright white light much bigger looking than stars or a planet.
It was a clear night (no clouds).

Never seen anything 'weird' after that.
No idea what it was, had no explanation either.

 

[pinger]

No, it's a fair point, I haven't thought through everything I think is true either. It's not like I expect this to change. But if you say you strongly believe something such that it's almost central to your self image, it's a little surprising that one hasn't meaningfully engaged with whether it's *actually* true.

For example the Bible has a lot of admonitions against wealth, divorce, other stuff. But it's not hard to find people who are rich, divorced, and say they are fervent Christians.

To me this is a different level of conflict. It's not like me not sitting down and critically evaluating the latest study on caffeine consumption. It's saying you believe something, maybe really believing it in some sense, but acting as if you definitely don't.

Oh please . Humans are fallible and are sinners. I hear the same types of comments about people being hypocritical about attending mass. If only non sinners attended Mass there would be nobody there including the Priests !

 

[RayDunzl]

About 55 years ago on a clear night...

In the mid 90's, north of Houston, saw an orange light from inside the house through the upper windows of a two-story living/dining room.

Orange, like those old sodium vapor (?) streetlights.

Fuzzy, but with a brighter point, like headlights through thin layers of fog.

Planes in/out of Houston Intercontinental were perfectly clear.

This thing wandered in from the east, then wobbled north all the way down to my horizon (some trees past a big pond) over about 20 minutes.

Binoculars didn't resolve anything.

It seemed to be very high (I wasn't).

 

[Axo1989]

Wait! What? You mean there is no such thing as settled science?

Science on a given subject can be settled (or not) obviously. Sometimes settled science can become unsettled, but that isn’t carte blanche.

 

[sam_adams]

Who here has seen an undidentifiable something in the sky themselves?

Unidentifiable? No.

I've seen meteors of all colors and brightness in both meteor shower events (Perseids, Leonids, Orionids, et. al.) and random one-offs. Bolides that both exploded and didn't. Comets; remember Kohoutek? Satellites, both orbiting and re-entering. The ISS many times. Titan, Minuteman, Delta, and Falcon 9 launches right after sundown.

I've seen so many types of military aircraft in-flight from both up close and at-a-distance. Everything from P-51 Mustangs to a B-58 Hustler to an F-35. Once, when driving North on Interstate 5 just before the El Toro MCAS exit, I looked off to my left and there's this F-4U Corsair on approach. The gear is down and the canopy is back and I can see the pilot's face—he was that low-and-slow. I waved to him and he waggles the wings a bit so I knew he saw me.

Just after the GWI, I was up in Van Nuys the week that the air show at the airport there was starting. One of the guys in the office yells to us to come out front and there's this F-117 ripping up from South to North over Hayvenhurst Ave. He gets a couple of miles out from the end of the airport, just before the hills, and makes his turn to come back down again for another pass—this time low-and-slow. That jet had the strangest engine sound. That was the year I got to sit in the pilot's seat of a B-52. Good Times!

 

[Mart68]

Serious question, prefer straight answers.

Who here has seen an undidentifiable something in the sky themselves?

Never. But the streetlights round here are so numerous and bright the only thing you can ever see in the night sky is the moon.

 

[pinger]

Science on a given subject can be settled (or not) obviously. Sometimes settled science can become unsettled, but that isn’t carte blanche.

You may have missed my wink. I think we agree though. Real Science welcomes challenges to its theories. "Science" that censors is propaganda not Science. The "settled science" mantra is meant to discourage dissent. Thats never good. If some wacko comes out and says water boils at 213 not 212 you tell him to prove it not censor him. When he cant it just reinforces the fact that water boils at 212. I'll leave it there otherwise I may get accused of being political

 

[PierreV]

You may have missed my wink. I think we agree though. Real Science welcomes challenges to its theories. "Science" that censors is propaganda not Science. The "settled science" mantra is meant to discourage dissent. Thats never good. If some wacko comes out and says water boils at 213 not 212 you tell him to prove it not censor him. When he cant it just reinforces the fact that water boils at 212. I'll leave it there otherwise I may get accused of being political

And he will prove it to you. A very poor example. Water boils at 213°F in a fairly typical anticyclone.
I don't see how that example could be political, except maybe if we get in the "people don't know what they don't know" territory...

 

[Petrushka]

The standard for evidence rises as we know more.