All About UFO's

[terryforsythe]

This one is fun (audio and text only). EDIT: There is one photo at 5:59, but no indication of whether it was a photo taken from the plane.

 

[WillBrink]

So many claims, so little evidence. How much of that stuff is shit made up by some random on the internet, and then repeated over and over by a billion I-want-to-believe-ers

Those particular claims made by some officials. That does not prove they too are not repeating nonsense, but I used only the claims - and made sure to say they were claims - that are being made by those who are supposedly in the know. Obviously there's far more outlandish claims to be found on the 'net. One official claimed he personally witnessed approx 50 craft coming in from the ocean. That would support the idea they're being launched over the horizon from a ship. Interesting experiences by the Coast Guard also: https://news.yahoo.com/news/dozens-drones-trailed-coast-guard-220110491.html

 

[sam_adams]

Department of Defense, Office of Public Information.

Washington, D.C.

December 27, 1949.

Bulletin 629-49, item 6700, extract 75,131.

"The Air Force has discontinued investigating and evaluating reported flying saucers on the basis that there is no evidence."

"The Air Force states that all evidence indicates that the reports of unidentified flying objects are the result of:

One:
Misinterpretation of various conventional objects.

Second:
A mild form of mass hysteria.

Third:
That they're jokes."

 

[antcollinet]

Willful ignorance is not a virtue.

Scepticism is though.

A good starting point might be the hearing in the NJ legislature this past week.

Do they actually show evidence - or is it just more people saying stuff.


EDIT :

From here:

Law enforcement has not identified the origin or landing sites of the drones, Mayor Michael Melham of Belleville Township said in a Facebook video update on Wednesday. He added that the drones primarily operate at night, often displaying flashing lights, but they turn off the lights and evade police helicopters when approached.

According to Melham, the drones have eluded radar detection, possibly because they do not emit frequencies or possess evasion capabilities.

So less actual evidence, and more... speculation.

There would be far more clarity here if people :

1 - stopped speculating.
2 - Stopped perpetuating others speculation as though they are facts - or "claims"

Far better to say "we don't know" than to make shit up.

 

[terryforsythe]

Department of Defense, Office of Public Information.

Washington, D.C.

December 27, 1949.

Bulletin 629-49, item 6700, extract 75,131.

"The Air Force has discontinued investigating and evaluating reported flying saucers on the basis that there is no evidence."

"The Air Force states that all evidence indicates that the reports of unidentified flying objects are the result of:

One:
Misinterpretation of various conventional objects.

Second:
A mild form of mass hysteria.

Third:
That they're jokes."

Maybe the investigations were just moved to different projects, e.g., more recently, AATIP, the UAP Task Force, AARO and Immaculate Constellation.

E.g., https://mace.house.gov/sites/evo-su...media-document/Cannon 212_20241113_154539.pdf

 

[terryforsythe]

Scepticism is though.

Scepticism, yes. Mockery, no.

Do they actually show evidence - or is it just more people saying stuff.

The hearing provides some important details. Video evidence is all over the Internet. Again, some of it is misidentification, but some is not.

 

[antcollinet]

Scepticism, yes. Mockery, no.


The hearing provides some important details. Video evidence is all over the Internet. Again, some of it is misidentification, but some is not.

We are talking about evidence for the specific claims. (No emissions - immune to radar - switching off lights when detected)

Which as I have just found - there isn't any because it was just speculation.

I mean: (from the same report)

The drones operate in a coordinated manner, turning off their lights to evade detection, complicating tracking efforts.

If they want to evade detection why do they have lights on in the first place?

They are not identified as hobbyist drones

Which is not the same as saying "they have been identified as not being hobbyist drones". The lights certainly suggest they are - being pretty damn similar to the lights put on hobbyist drones.


None of this nonsense stands up to the slightest critical scrutiny.

 

[BeeKay]

I wanted to believe (then came primary school)

 

[WillBrink]

Far better to say "we don't know" than to make shit up.

If you watched the hearing, some of which I posted, that's precisely what they did. That they (claimed) to have no idea made those asking the Qs less then happy. Years of it happening over sensitive military sites (fully confirmed, not speculation) and months to weeks in other locations, the FBI investigating fior a month now, and "we don't know" is not an acceptable answer. According to DHS: "...appear to avoid detection by traditional methods such as helicopter and radio, according to a state lawmaker briefed Wednesday by the Department of Homeland Security."

You can decide for yourself if they are making that up. I don't know. I will not claim it's not possible, but anything is possible with those clowns. A NJ state police helo followed one according to official, and rep was not happy they broke it off, as well as how little they appeared to know about it, and walked out. Hence, so far, the official narrative is "we don't know" :

Guess what happens when your officials respond with "we don't know"? They speculate...

 

[terryforsythe]

We are talking about evidence for the specific claims. (No emissions - immune to radar - switching off lights when detected)

Thus far, the federal government has not released any evidence, and probably won't for decades. Certain methods and systems are classified, as has been repeatedly stated by numerous DoD officials.

If they want to evade detection why do they have lights on in the first place?

Nobody knows why. That question has been asked over and over, which you will find out if/when you get further in your investigation.

 

[terryforsythe]

there isn't any because it was just speculation

Statements and speculation are not necessarily one in the same. There are some statements that are speculation, and there some statements that are not.

 

[WillBrink]

Thus far, the federal government has not released any evidence, and probably won't for decades. Certain methods and systems are classified, as has been repeated stated by numerous DoD officials.

They never expose materials, methods, and capabilities unless forced to. I have no doubts the DOD knows far more than we are being told, and for obvious reasons it pisses off high ranking civilian officials that they are told nadda too. If i were a member of Congress and was told I didn't have a "need to know" about topics concerning my nation, it would piss me off too.

Nobody knows why. That question has been asked over and over, which you will find out if/when you get further in your investigation.

They are not here to spy in a stealth manner, they appear here to intentionally draw attention and perhaps make us feel vulnerable? People are sheep, easily panicked and when told "we don't know what they are" by their gubment, turn to wild speculation. Hell, could be a psyop test run by our own government to see how people respond before more disclosure takes place over the legit UAP/UFO phenomena.

I think we need to keep all possibilities on the table until further intel.

 

[terryforsythe]

They are not here to spy in a stealth manner, they appear here to intentionally draw attention and perhaps make us feel vulnerable?

That is what I think.

As you know, this is far from being an isolated incident, though previously it mostly was over military assets. Someone is sending a message, and not just to the U.S. The question is who. It would not surprise me if it were Russia, trying to create fear to get us to withdraw support for Ukraine. But, I'm not sure how that would relate to the citings over the airport in China that shutdown flights over numerous days (that airport is used both for military and civilian aviation). The intrigue continues.

 

[antcollinet]

Statements and speculation are not necessarily one in the same. There are some statements that are speculation, and there some statements that are not.

".....possibly because....." sounds an awful lot like speculation to me.

 

[WillBrink]

That is what I think.

As you know, this is far from being an isolated incident, though previously it mostly was over military assets. Someone is sending a message, and not just to the U.S. The question is who. It would not surprise me if it were Russia, trying to create fear to get us to withdraw support for Ukraine. But, I'm not sure how that would relate to the citings over the airport in China that shutdown flights over numerous days (that airport is used both for military and civilian aviation). The intrigue continues.

I don't think the Chinese event is related. That one seemed more classic UFO/UAP type event than obvious drone activity. It seems US and UK as to the type/size of drones seen similar to NJ, and that would make sense as to Russian motivations to create fear.

 

[Tim Link]

I think this one is fun: https://www.twz.com/16079/airliners...e-encounter-with-mystery-aircraft-over-oregon

That was definitely an airplane. But who flew it and why? There are a lot of small jets that could fly that speed and altitude, and take off and land from small airfields. So they just took off without a flight plan, and apparently didn't even bother to turn on their radio.

I once had a run-in with a business jet while I was trying to land at a small, uncontrolled field in Oregon. When doing that, you get on the radio frequency for that airfield as you are approaching and call out your location and intentions, keeping an eye and ear out for anyone else coming in because there's no air traffic control. I had been announcing my location and intended approach route, calling out each segment as I turned the plane to line up with the runway. As I approached the runway, my field of view was all at once full of the back end of a jet that was trying to land at the same time and had nearly descended on top of me! The pilot couldn't see me as I was under his nose. I got rocked really hard by the wake turbulence and had to abort the landing. Then I heard a very remorseful voice come on the radio to apologize profusely.

 

[kemmler3D]

they just took off without a flight plan, and apparently didn't even bother to turn on their radio.

That was definitely an airplane. But who flew it and why?

My money's on drug runners or some other stripe of smuggler. Who else needs to travel under cover of darkness without anyone knowing?

 

[terryforsythe]

That was definitely an airplane.

I am highly confident that you are correct, though it may or may not be manned. EDIT: I thought you were referring to my post. I'll check out your article too.

What makes the video fun is figuring out why it is a plane and not something else, as well as listening to the conversations. Hint: the clue is right on the cover image (and something in the recording). Do you see it?

The objects did not pop up on radar, though, so they are stealth. Also, the object coming and going was reported to be traveling at extreme speeds and reaching very high altitude. My suspicion is that it is a next generation hypersonic aircraft. Given the location, I suspect it is made by Boeing.

 

[WillBrink]

I am highly confident that you are correct, though it may or may not be manned.

What makes the video fun is figuring out why it is a plane and not something else, as well as listening to the conversations. Hint: the clue is right on the cover image (and something in the recording). Do you see it?

The objects did not pop up on radar, though, so they are stealth. Also, the object coming and going was reported to be traveling at extreme speeds and reaching very high altitude. My suspicion is that it is a next generation hypersonic aircraft.

That NORAD would not be made aware of and a need to send F15s to investigate? That's the only wrinkle in the theory. That one is certainly not easy to dismiss. Listen to it's performance and colors, red and circular. Plane my a$$:

 

[terryforsythe]

That NORAD would not be made aware of and a need to send F15s to investigate? That's the only wrinkle in the theory. That one is certainly not easy to dismiss. Listen to it's performance and colors, red and circular. Plane my a$$:

"It's on TCAS". The pilot states that in the conversation. That infers the object had a TCAS transponder.

I think it is a next generation hypersonic, stealth, fixed wing drone, probably made by Boeing. Somebody posted pictures of some of the Boeing drones earlier in the thread.

EDIT: I'm not sure the incidents in the video and the article are the same. In the video it is picked up on TCAS, but in the article it was not.