I know that the Neumann and Genelecs are very neutral (I’ve owned both, and currently have a pair of KH80), but the sub extension seems a lot more impressive with the Adams, and I find the size more attractive too for my particular situation.neumann together with genelec meassure extremly well
Look here
Measurements for speaker Genelec 8010A
www.spinorama.org
Measurements for speaker Genelec 8030C
Measurements for speaker Neumann KH 80
Measurements for speaker Neumann KH 120 II
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ADAM Audio D3V specs price ?
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shame they skipped the built in room correction, but maybe they only test the waters and will release slightly bigger model with RC, like IK Multimedia
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I have my doubts about how useful the room correction in the iLoud actually is, seems you can screw up the response pretty good if you just go by the provided instructions. "Black box" integrated room correction isn't particularly useful unless it's properly documented (particularly what it's going for) and has some flexibility WRT targets.
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Maybe you missed it but there was a big update to IK monitors with ARC in the X-Monitor software, which works from the smallest Micro Monitor Pro all the way up https://www.ikmultimedia.com/products/iloudmmpro/index.php?p=xmonitor
But regardless, Adam uses Sonarworks integration anyway, no black box issue as well https://www.adam-audio.com/en/technology/automated-room-correction-with-sonarworks/
But I recon they're too inexpensive to include it and I'll wait for the bigger/pro model as I could use small desktop speakers as a second reference. Those small IK were too noisy for me
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There are some measurements on the website although not the complete spinorama data.
Linearity on axis is great. From the horizontal and vertical we can see that dispersion is ok but not excellent imo.
PS: that abrupt 24 kHz fall hints of an internal 48 kHz sample rate.
Linearity on axis is great. From the horizontal and vertical we can see that dispersion is ok but not excellent imo.
PS: that abrupt 24 kHz fall hints of an internal 48 kHz sample rate.
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On axis, sure. But unless the listener is in extreme near field in a dead room, what the listener gets is a combination of on axis + horizontal and vertical dispersions, which results in the "estimated in-room response". When the dispersion is uneven, the EIR becomes uneven as well, unlike Neumann and Genelec, which are excellent in those too.As good as neumann and genelec
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Are KH80 or 8010 really better especially in vertical dispersion? For sure they don't play as low and are at least twice the price. I think I'll get them just for fun and as a second reference on my desktop, if they don't hiss too much
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$299, ADAM D3V is priced the same as the Kali LP-UNF. Even though Kali LP-UNF is almost 10 months old.
Both speakers are expected to be good in the nearfield, I can't wait for the D3V review to come out.
I'm cautiously hoping that one or the other will come down in price.
Kali LP-UNF (black only) - 4.5-Inch Long-Excursion Woofer / 1-Inch Textile Dome
Adam D3V (black, white) - Dual 3.5-in. passive radiators / 3.5-in. aluminum woofer / 1.5-in. D-ART tweeter
Both speakers are expected to be good in the nearfield, I can't wait for the D3V review to come out.
I'm cautiously hoping that one or the other will come down in price.
Kali LP-UNF (black only) - 4.5-Inch Long-Excursion Woofer / 1-Inch Textile Dome
Adam D3V (black, white) - Dual 3.5-in. passive radiators / 3.5-in. aluminum woofer / 1.5-in. D-ART tweeter
This should be a very interesting klippel and direct listening comparison ! Can't wait !
AnalogSteph
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You may want to hold off until the Topping 4" speakers are out. Measurements presented seem to indicate excellent dispersion, even if some on-axis ripple will need EQ.
That's actually in the specs.
The measurements answer one question I had, there doesn't seem to be an automatic shelving of bass but you can dial some in using the Position control.
Distortion is a bit of a head-scratcher.
The ~1.3 - 4 kHz "valley" seems odd and rather out of proportion with max level handling, although the response generally follows that:
While the woofer may have a naturally rising response, I wonder whether the waveguide-like recession might be at work there as well. That being said, e.g. the KH80 woofer behaves in a similar manner (though it can play a lot louder, that's a 4" for ya). In any case we're seeing relatively strong cancellation between excursion H3 and electrical H3, so it's clearly not exactly a Purifi level driver (but I mean what do you expect at the price, probably the usual Al voice coil former kind of job). I wonder how it would do in IMD testing.
The tweeter is not exactly a super great performer, but since it only ever has to tweet >4 kHz, that shouldn't matter too much. (Looking at similar drivers like this that want to be crossed over at 5-6 kHz, it seems you really need a waveguide for them to even play as low as they are.) 30 W for that seems a bit overdressed.
And remember what I said about excursion limiting at the low end? That's a perfect example right there.
PR tuning seems to be relatively deep, with a boost around 50-60 Hz, reflecting the desktop use case.
I guess they may not have wanted to make the response too narrow, so they left in some tweeter widening (plus, nearfield). Vertical dispersion is a bit weird, with best results somewhere between +7 and -12°. Maybe they were optimizing for a reference plane slightly below the tweeter?
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should be release mid of november and look intresting price for pair is 320$. on desktop and arc 4 can be intresting how a speaker with 2 passive system on side sound. they release also a FR diagram in their promotion https://www.adam-audio.com/en/desktop/d3v/87
maybe @amirm can get a version from Adam and test
maybe @amirm can get a version from Adam and test
Link to full measurements below, they seem very impressive and I’m considering them for a mates kid Xmas
AnalogSteph
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We already have a thread for these.
www.audiosciencereview.com
ADAM Audio D3V specs price ?
No price ? Specs https://www.adam-audio.com/en/desktop/d3v/ (updated thread) Krk GO AUX alternative or better ?
www.audiosciencereview.com
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Great that they offer these measurements, but clearly there are some tradeoffs here. On-axis and phase response looks awesome, but directivity only looks OK, distortion is so-so or even bad across the board, and they basically max out at 90dB, which is good enough for most nearfield work but not enough for real peaks.
I would be surprised if the PIR looks half as good as the on-axis, and you can get less distortion from a lot of cheap speakers as long as you have the room for 5" or 8" drivers on your desk.
Still, as long as you are happy to listen quietly, flat on-axis from 40hz-20khz for $300 is worth talking about. I would say these are certainly competitive despite the compromises. Very impressive for 3.5" drivers.
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bennybbbx
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We already have a thread for these.
ADAM Audio D3V specs price ?
No price ? Specs https://www.adam-audio.com/en/desktop/d3v/ (updated thread) Krk GO AUX alternative or better ?
ok, then can delete this thread from a mod
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Hello Folks.
These are 4" Active speakers in a closed box that reach 35Hz at -6dB, with limited SPL: https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/abacus-c-box-3.57307/
I can attest that bass really works in a small room with moderate listening levels. I see no reason why it should not work good with Adam, they have very good engineers.
Cheers
On Desktop with speaker correction you can get 5-6 db more low bass because, levels between 150 and 500 hz need reduce, and membrane movement reduce in compare to free field. so can boost low bass more. see results from the esi unik 05+. the screenshot show before and after of Left speaker. this are 5 inch speakers. I notice best is smallest system for mid range location. and with the 3.5 inch it is simular to 3 way speakers . 40 cm above desktop i notice the 5 inch esis and 4.5 jbl is weak on bass and better use a sub with crossover 60 hz. i think the adam is also able if somebody notics bass is too weak in all situations use crossover 60 hz
Edit: the D3V have a desktop switch , which correct . intresting how it sound. I have as only speaker with a desktop switch the kali lp6 1. this sound better with desktop switch on, on desktop , but not good as with arc 4. maybe the D3V have a better sounding desktop switch because the most sense of this adam is use them on desktop.
Edit 2. I read about the abacus small speaker you link, 35 hz -6 db with this close 4 inch speaker, i think is not possible. the esi unik 05+ have a bass plug so it can use as closed port. i hear it give then better bass transients but the bass is then very weak also after correction. that there is -6 db show at 20 hz i guess it is noise because i measure at 75-80 db. results are best when measure at hearing volume
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Perhaps another difference between Abacus C-Box and ESI plays a role here. Mid-woofer in Abacus is compensated for the electromotive force (EMF)? Those -6 at 35Hz are perhaps only in ultranearfield? Also, Abacus is engineered from the ground up to be exclusively closed speaker that reaches deep down with very limited SPL.
I do not have any measuring equipment, but I hear sinewaves unmistakenly all the way down to 40Hz (I listen to in near-field, not ultranearfield).
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