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Hello Folks.

Intro:

These are the Abacus C-Box 3 speakers, sold in the EU, usually for 990 Euros (1105 USD / 1493 CAD) for a pair: https://www.abacus-electronics.de/produkte/aktivlautsprecher/c-box/c-box3.html. Abacus C-Box 3 speakers are 4" active speakers (they have active crossovers) with ring tweeters and 25W RMS amplification per channel. They use proprietary "DOLIFET" amplifiers with active crossover and with compensation for electromotive force. Speaker cabinets are sealed (acoustic suspension), the only input is one RCA Line level per box (they can be used as passive speakers with input adapters) and they are completely analog. They also come in slightly larger version (C-Box 4 with identical amplification module and 5" mid-woofer) and there is also matching active subwoofer (C-Bass 10). Abacus C Boxes are originally developed as high-end hi-fi desktop speakers, but they are also used in some professional studios for mixing and mastering. All models are developed and produced in-house by Abacus Electronics UG in Nordenham Germany. The company was founded in 1983. by Mr. Karl-Heiz Sonder and today is run by him and his son, Mr. Hanno Sonder. Today the company, besides active speakers, produces a line of preamps and amps, as well as couple of streaming devices. I have had speakers for more than 3 months and I have been listening to them almost daily with a variety of music, mostly electronic and classical, some jazz and pop/rock and a bit of metal (SACDs, CDs, Blu-ray DVDs, lossy streaming).


User experiences:
-Speakers are quite small. They are also not very heavy, but thanks to the small size and good build, they feel sturdy. When knocked on, housing does not resonate noticeably. Power rocker has good feel to it and two rotating pots feel plasticky (Volume and Bass EQ), but they turn smoothly. The box is completely sealed (acoustic suspension). They are not vinyl-wrapped, but have structural paint on, wich looks and feels a bit utilitarian but high-quality. LED is purple, moderately bright, but offers no info about clipping. Speakers were delivered with two-pin power cables and one wall socket adapter (1 in, 2 out). They came neatly packed in a carefully measured box, wich should be kept for safe transport of the speakers (ring tweeters stick out a few mm out of the speaker cabinets).

-I have the boxes positioned on Stagg budget stands and isolation foam, toed in, distanced about 25cm from the front wall. Distance between the speakers is slightly less than 2m, and listening distance is slightly less than 2.5m. Sidewalls and windows are more than 2m away on both sides. In this setting, speakers sound natural, free of excessive room coloration and the sound stage does not extend much beyond them. Imaging is fairly precise and there is also some hint of third dimension (big screen TV between them works against holography). I had no trouble optimising their placement with small changes, but they do sound horizontally directional though, so no "room filing" sound from these. On the other hand, having ears a bit above or below tweeter level, does not change my sonic experience much.

-They do not get very loud (at least not without bass distortion), so listening above roughly 80dB, even in near to mid-field, is simply not realistic. When the bass EQ is turned on max, which is the default setting for flat response, testing with sine wave generator gives me sensation of usable bass down to about 41-42Hz. Maximum low extension seems to be around 36-37Hz. If one wants to listen at about 75dB to 80dB, it is possible to sacrifice bass extension for SPL by turning the bass EQ down to the minimum. In order to avoid distortion, main volume control also should not to go past half position, unless there is a preamp volume control. Since I have been using them with a preamp, they do not seem to be fussy about being fed with low vs high level signal and having their own volume control higher vs lower.

-Despite a good bass extension for their size, they do not sound like large speakers. They sound like 4" speakers, yet ones supported with a small, extremely well integrated, 5 or 6 inch subwoofer (provided listening levels remain bellow 80dB). It sounds almost as if additional bass drivers are mounted on the back of the speaker cabinets. The bass is fairly deep, if not strong, it is very well defined (fast and distortion-free) and amazingly rich in texture. I can tell a difference between bass guitar and double bass as a difference between night and day. Some bass punch can be heard, certainly not felt, but the best thing about bass is that it does not smear the lower mids (or any other frequency range). Sound of this speaker is complete opposite of being "boomy".

-Mids sound pretty much more natural and correct than any small speaker I have ever heard (Genelec and Neuman included). Female voices sound better than male voices, since the mid-woofer is small. Dynamics of small scale are good, response is very fast, so transients sound very good at lower listening levels. Sound, in general, is open, direct, and the separation of instruments within mid-frequencies is especially good. Smaller instruments simply sound correct, yet pianos sound small, just like symphonic music does not reach much of it's scale, but that is the way it must be with very small speakers. With some distorted and overdriven rock/metal guitars, they do sometimes sound a bit "shouty", but not overly unpleasant.

-Highs are not extremely extended, but what is there is very informative and pleasant sounding, "airy" and nicely rounded (there is no piercing or sibilance). I do not remember I have ever heard subjectively better balance between high-end resolution and absence of listening fatiguing. Even though ring tweeters looks a bit funny in theirs shallow (kind of) waveguides, highs sound as continuous part of the whole frequency spectrum. Cymbals sound like metal discs struck with wooden sticks, not like small air compressors letting out pressurised air, and sure not like someone is rubbing quickly something agains metal. Another good thing about top frequencies is that they are extremely clean, there is not a trace of any hiss, no matter how close I put my ear to the tweeter.


Summary:
It is no surprise that these tiny speakers cannot handle big dynamics good, but fine dynamics are very good. Accordingly, they do not make a great listening tool for big scale orchestral music or epic rock/prog/metal works. Acoustic and vocal music sounds decent enough. What is a bit surprising is that they seem to sound great when reproducing well produced bassy mixture of electronic and non-electronic instruments or progressive electronica (as long as the mix is not extremely busy). Jazz recordings tend to sound particularly exciting, especially if recorded live. Things sound rhythmical and in correct phase, there is no hiss, no hum, and as long the volume is in check, there are no noticeable distortions. Staging and imaging are good and even holographic. Frequencies are reproduced naturally and even smaller details in music are present. Still, beware, these small Abacus boxes are not very forgiving of bad sources. They do not go out of their way to make music sound horrible (or "clinically" analytical), but they also do not give music "make-up" and they pick up electrical noises easily. So, give them decent cables and decent sources with decently produced music and the sound becomes enough "musical" and simply fun and enjoyable that you can forget that you are listening to a pair of 4" two-way active speakers with only 25W per channel at low(ish) living-room levels. They are not cheap, they are spartan, but they are well built and they sound great. If I would to describe Abacus C-Box 3 in 3 words, they would be (in no particular order): Engineered, Natural, Precise. Would I buy them again: Yes. Would I recommend them? Well, if you are into quiet(er) listening of electronica and jazz and do not mind the lack of connectivity, or you simply want "end-game" small desktop speakers, Abacus C-Box 3 speakers are probably the way to go.


Paired equipment: Pioneer DV-575A DVD/SACD Player; Abacus Linetreiber 2020 Variabel Preamp; Acoustic Tuning Cables.

Additional equipment: Sony PS4 Game Console; FiiO BR13 Bluetooth Receiver/DAC.


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Cheers.:)
 
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I see no wave guide for the tweeter, so I would expect a directivity error. In this price range you could get a pair of Genelec 8020 or Neumann KH80 without such a problem.
 
I see no wave guide for the tweeter, so I would expect a directivity error.
The HF is a ring-radiator for which the manufacturer claims directivity is not an issue in nearfield use.
In this price range you could get a pair of Genelec 8020 or Neumann KH80 without such a problem.
This speaker was kind of unique when it was introduced because it is very small yet has deep bass extension (obviously limited to near field volume levels) and eq. Frequency response is advertised as -6 dB at 35 Hz while the bigger Genelec 8020D is -6 dB at 56 Hz. I was interested in getting a pair for desktop use but due to the pricing decided to get Adam Artist 5 speakers (home-use-variant of the A5X) which were sold off for 400 Euro per pair at that time.
 
The HF is a ring-radiator for which the manufacturer claims directivity is not an issue in nearfield use.
Let's see the spinorama ...

Edit: directivity error between 3.5 and 7 kHz, according to the manufacturers measurements:
c-box3_measurements_woofer-and-tweeter_2021-09-22.png

This speaker was kind of unique when it was introduced because it is very small yet has deep bass extension (obviously limited to near field volume levels) and eq. Frequency response is advertised as -6 dB at 35 Hz while the bigger Genelec 8020D is -6 dB at 56 Hz.
According to the Fletcher Munson equal loudness curve you need about 20 dB more SPL to get the same perceived loudness at 35 Hz compared to 56 Hz. This means with music having significant bass below 56 Hz your max SPL is reduced a lot, and IMD rises a lot as well.
 
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I see no wave guide for the tweeter, so I would expect a directivity error. In this price range you could get a pair of Genelec 8020 or Neumann KH80 without such a problem.
A valid point Sir.

However, they do seem to have some sort of shallow waveguide-like structure around tweeters. Perhaps they do not need more because the crossover FQ is 1500Hz. That means that tweeter should take over well before 4” mid-woofer starts with beaming.

I have heard both 4” Genelec and Neuman speakers. Yes, they are slightly cheaper, yes they can play louder without distortion, yes they have DSP and balanced connections and Neumans even have an Ethernet connection and they both sound very good, but Abacus boxes simply sounds better to my ears (bass is deeper and more precise) and they do not need a sub because I listen to them at about 70-75 dB (sometimes even quieter).
 
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Let's see the spinorama ...

Edit: directivity error between 3.5 and 7 kHz, according to the manufacturers measurements:
c-box3_measurements_woofer-and-tweeter_2021-09-22.png
Not sure I read that graph the same way. Looks like remarkably little off-axis variance compared to 0 degrees. Possibly the ring tweeter?

The trace that dips substantially is labelled as the woofer measured ultra nearfield. I would expect this to fall off above the crossover?

Happy to be corrected if I missed something though!

According to the Fletcher Munson equal loudness curve you need about 20 dB more SPL to get the same perceived loudness at 35 Hz compared to 56 Hz. This means with music having significant bass below 56 Hz your max SPL is reduced a lot, and IMD rises a lot as well.

Fletcher-Munson refers to perception in perceived loudness, not relevant to measured frequency response of loudspeakers. But yes, more low freq from a small sealed box with small woofer will certainly have SPL trade offs and distortion issues as you try increase SPL.
 
Hi.

I live in Europe (Austria). Some of the stuff available here might not be available elsewhere. Sometimes it is not well known even among audiophiles and professionals.
Still, I would like to start a new thread about my new purchase, which just might be one of the best 4" active 2-way speakers on the world.

Those are Abacus C-Box 3 speakers, sold in the EU for some 990 Euros (1105 USD / 1493 CAD) for a pair. Abacus being the name of the company (established in 1983. in Germany).
I have a set of these, as well as the larger C-Box 4.

I really enjoy both pairs. Currently using them in a 4.0 system in a small 12m2 room and no need for subs at my listening volume. Use with DIRAC Live which amongst other things solves a huge 47Hz peak room mode.

I got these because they play deep, at low (but very listenable) volumes, and have very little self-noise (hiss). Impossible for me to hear any noise from the drivers more than 5cm away.

A mixing engineer’s review:

Cambridge MT Podcast Sept 2023
 
Hello Sir.

Thank you for sharing your thoughts and experiences on the topic.

Not sure I read that graph the same way. Looks like remarkably little off-axis variance compared to 0 degrees. Possibly the ring tweeter?
Perhaps. I do not have enough expertise to make a valid judgement.

I got these because they play deep, at low (but very listenable) volumes, and have very little self-noise (hiss). Impossible for me to hear any noise from the drivers more than 5cm away.
I dare to say a good decision. One of the biggest points for me was how they sound (deep precise bass and low hiss) in midfield listening in a quiet and smallish room with thin walls separating me from the next door apartment. Besides, I already own a 2.1 monitoring system (2X5“+8“) with much more SPL (which I dare to listen on optimal levels only on weekend evenings).

Furthermore, on certain well recorded music (i.e. the first album from The Smile) it sounds almost like a 4“ pair of speakers with a subtle support of a small 6“ subwoofer. Not just the amount and quality of the bass itself, but the fact that low midds sound clearly defined next to high lows.
A mixing engineer’s review:

Cambridge MT Podcast Sept 2023
Thank you for the link, I have not found it myself. Apparently (I do not understand French and have no patience for early XXI century AI translation) they are used by some even for mastering:

Cheers!
 
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Thank you for the link, I have not found it myself. Apparently (I do not understand French and have no patience for early XXI century AI translation) they are used by some even for mastering:
Hm, I think that might have been a link to a review of the bigger C-Box 4. The smaller units were reviewed back in 2016. Looks like it's paywalled though.

The same engineer, Mike Senior, has reviewed these for SoundOnSound and also posted here (seems to be a fan):

https://www.soundonsound.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=88153

In any case, I like these but have not had a chance to hear Neumann or Genelec, and would need them in my own room to have any chance of being able to compare. What would be better is third party measurements, but we're unlikely to get these since they are such a niche product. Don't think I would be willing to ship to Amir in the US from Europe...
 
Not sure I read that graph the same way. Looks like remarkably little off-axis variance compared to 0 degrees.
Directivity is more or less the difference between on axis and off axis curves. The red line is fine, but green and pink should not get close to black between 3.5 and 7 kHz but should keep its distance to black.
 
Directivity is more or less the difference between on axis and off axis curves. The red line is fine, but green and pink should not get close to black between 3.5 and 7 kHz but should keep its distance to black.
Thank you Sir.

Please, could you tell us what would that mean in a real world use? How does that relate to need for acousticall treatment of listening room?
 
Please, could you tell us what would that mean in a real world use?
It means that the music emitted to the sides of the speaker (off axis) sounds different than on axis since the frequency response is different. Off axis is brighter.
How does that relate to need for acousticall treatment of listening room?
Without acoustic treatment the sound emitted to the sides is reflected by the walls as is (in theory). If the reflected music differs too much from on axis then sound quality and imaging suffer.
 
Directivity is more or less the difference between on axis and off axis curves. The red line is fine, but green and pink should not get close to black between 3.5 and 7 kHz but should keep its distance to black.
What we can infer from this graph (IF it is accurate) is that off-axis response is very similar to on-axis. I would not characterise this as "error", per se. However we can maybe say a few things:
  1. In the nearfield, where direct sound dominates, it should be OK to be off-axis and preserve the tonality of the sound. This is also their stated design goal I think?
  2. In the medium to far field, where you get more of the room contribution, these will probably sound quite bright, depending of course on the room.
This mirrors my personal experience.

The effect of point 2, in my room, is an illusion of a very wide soundstage. For example, the Roger Water's album "Amused to Death", which was mixed with Qsound tech, has an almost "surround-side"-like, 180 degree soundstage.

Just my 2c, non-expert. Also I note again that I am not sure how accurate that graph is.
 
The effect of point 2, in my room, is an illusion of a very wide soundstage. For example, the Roger Water's album "Amused to Death", which was mixed with Qsound tech, has an almost "surround-side"-like, 180 degree soundstage.
Less than 2m right from my right speaker, there is one larger window. When I was listening to Pink Floyd's "Animals" (2018 Remix) from a red book CD, I could swear that dog's barking on the track "Dogs", was coming from about 1.25m right from the right speaker. Normally, soundstage remains within 0.5m from both sides of both speakers.

@LTig Tanks. I was not sure if it is really brighter of axis. It goes against my "amateurish" presumptions that tweeters above few KHz could not be brighter of-axis because of directivity of high frequency sound waves.

@rirelien Thanks.
 
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What we can infer from this graph (IF it is accurate) is that off-axis response is very similar to on-axis. I would not characterise this as "error", per se.
Agreed the "error" is not large. It depends on the situation whether it's problematic or not.
However we can maybe say a few things:
  1. In the nearfield, where direct sound dominates, it should be OK to be off-axis and preserve the tonality of the sound. This is also their stated design goal I think?
It's OK if you don't move your head too much to the left or right, like you would do operating a large mixing console. So fine for computer desktop, not so fine for mixing consoles.
  1. In the medium to far field, where you get more of the room contribution, these will probably sound quite bright, depending of course on the room.
Yep.
 
@LTig Tanks. I was not sure if it is really brighter of axis. It goes against my "amateurish" presumptions that tweeters above few KHz could not be brighter of-axis because of directivity of high frequency sound waves.
Brightness is the result of a bump in the upper mids/lower treble. Any tweeter will emit this freqency range very wide without additional means to prevent it (wave guide, horn, ...). Woofers on the other hand beam in this range, whlch here leads to the directivity error.

A bump in the upper treble leads to "airiness".
 
It's OK if you don't move your head too much to the left or right, like you would do operating a large mixing console. So fine for computer desktop, not so fine for mixing consoles.
I think I am not understanding you. In this case, if you move your head, the graph indicates no tonality shift. An error would be evident when moving your head out to 15 degrees or more causes one part of the frequency spectrum to be higher or lower compared to other parts (or in the farfield, reflected sound having different characteristics to direct sound.)

But this particular graph does not show that?
 
Brightness is the result of a bump in the upper mids/lower treble. Any tweeter will emit this freqency range very wide without additional means to prevent it (wave guide, horn, ...). Woofers on the other hand beam in this range, whlch here leads to the directivity error.
Ah, ok, got it now. I was discounting the woofer response too much, incorrectly.

Thanks for your patient responses.

I'd be interested to see a proper spin of this speaker, showing also the summed response/expected in-room. We don't see that here.

I wonder if it's worth trying to do some measurements at the listening position -- I've been meaning to do this. WIll only apply to my room and have all the usual problems of not using a proper rig or anechoic chamber, but I've been meaning to do it anyway.
 
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