Genelec 8361A vs 8351B

[stevenswall]

Isn't he sitting a bit close to them?

No. I think he could be closer actually. The Ones don't sound broken if you're close, or a little off axis relative to some of the drivers... Though other non-point source speakers I'm sure you'd have issues. 1-2 feet should be fine based on Genelec's chart on this page:

https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...udio-in-8-studio-monitor-review.10897/page-34

 

[Sancus]

It is of course totally ridiculous to use 8361As that close, especially with a sub which he apparently also has... lol.

 

[Frank Dernie]

It is of course totally ridiculous to use 8361As that close, especially with a sub which he apparently also has... lol.

Well he is certainly in the nearfield.

 

[Spocko]

Isn't he sitting a bit close to them?

OMG

 

[stevenswall]

It is of course totally ridiculous to use 8361As that close, especially with a sub which he apparently also has... lol.

Why of course? Genelec themselves say that once you're between .3 and .5 meters you're good to go.

It may look crazy with how large they are, but I'd only say he's obviously too close if these were regular 3 way speakers with lobeing, different dispersion patterns for each driver, and a myriad of other issues common to "slap a driver on a box" monitors that most make.

With these, you can't go by old paradigms about legacy speaker designs. Other Cabasse, Devialet, and maybe Gethain, yeah, obviously too close because nobody else makes acoustically "triaxial" / three way coincident monitors.

 

[Sancus]

Why of course? Genelec themselves say that once you're between .3 and .5 meters you're good to go.

I don't think there is any technical problem. I'm more saying the choice of 8361A is ridiculous, especially with a sub. I can't think of a single advantage to paying $2000 more for the 8361A, max SPL will already be way above safe levels. I assume the point of the setup video is just to show the ridiculous, most expensive option.

Honestly, at that distance I would use 8341A or even 8331A and be more than happy with it.

 

[sweetchaos]

Isn't he sitting a bit close to them?

The thumbnail looks photoshopped, so I didn't believe this was real.... wow

 

[q3cpma]

I don't think there is any technical problem. I'm more saying the choice of 8361A is ridiculous, especially with a sub. I can't think of a single advantage to paying $2000 more for the 8361A, max SPL will already be way above safe levels. I assume the point of the setup video is just to show the ridiculous, most expensive option.

Honestly, at that distance I would use 8341A or even 8331A and be more than happy with it.

Being CD down to 200~250 Hz in the vertical plane is nice, though.

 

[stevenswall]

Being CD down to 200~250 Hz in the vertical plane is nice, though.

Agreed. Why not go larger if you can afford it? Seems like the bigger the waveguide the better. I'd go for the W371 pair and 8341B I think, but that's even more money.

 

[q3cpma]

Agreed. Why not go larger if you can afford it? Seems like the bigger the waveguide the better. I'd go for the W371 pair and 8341B I think, but that's even more money.

The 8361A has the best LF directivity control amongst the Ones, as the waveguide controls low enough to meet the d'Appolito control, while said d'Appolito control goes really low. Too bad the on and off axis response and power response are inferior to its smaller sibling.

 

[HooStat]

Well he is certainly in the nearfield.

At what threshold does "near field" become "headphones"!

 

[Sancus]

Agreed. Why not go larger if you can afford it? Seems like the bigger the waveguide the better. I'd go for the W371 pair and 8341B I think, but that's even more money.

I could have bought the 8361A, but I could not find a single rational reason to do so other than SPL output. I don't at all see the 8361A as better than the 8351B, regardless of a small difference in LF directivity control. The other measurements are better on the 8351B, and I'm not sure how you would even justify LF directivity having any effect in the extreme nearfield. Especially when rotating the 8351B seems to do nothing in at least some further distance cases.

But I also wouldn't do it purely for aesthetics, frankly. It looks really stupid to mount 70lb 24" bookshelves like that.

 

[Pearljam5000]

The 8361A has the best LF directivity control amongst the Ones, as the waveguide controls low enough to meet the d'Appolito control, while said d'Appolito control goes really low. Too bad the on and off axis response and power response are inferior to its smaller sibling.

How does it effect the sound, and how is it possible because the 8361A is the flagship and should be better than 8351B?

 

[daftcombo]

At what threshold does "near field" become "headphones"!

"Texas headphones" actually!

https://www.reddit.com/r/DJs/comments/4j6pmd

 

[HooStat]

How does it effect the sound, and how is it possible because the 8361A is the flagship and should be better than 8351B?

Nothing will be better in every way. In this case, loudness was a priority, particularly in the bass region. It is definitely better there. Genelec makes many measurements of their speakers, and I am sure the 8361A is better in a number of them. At this level of quality, it is about trade-offs. Some of the areas where the 8351B is "better" may not be better in a meaningful way, particularly with GLM in place.

 

[richard12511]

Isn't he sitting a bit close to them?

Haha I love it. It's so ridiculous.

 

[infinitesymphony]

Actually, he can't move any closer or further away or the motion sensors will be set off.

(Made for an earlier 8361 thread.)

 

[Descartes]

This video says it all!

2L has some amazing recordings to test your system my favorite is: LUX in ATMOS

http://www.2l.no/

 

[Pearljam5000]

This video says it all!

2L has some amazing recordings to test your system my favorite is: LUX in ATMOS

http://www.2l.no/

It's weird that they went with the 8351B and not 8361A but still cool.
Btw is there any 2L materiel on Tidal?

 

[richard12511]

It's weird that they went with the 8351B and not 8361A but still cool.
Btw is there any 2L materiel on Tidal?

8351b is the better speaker if you've got the W371. You won't really be using the woofers, so the better dispersion of the 8351 makes it the better speaker.