Well sit close and listen. Turn your head and tell me which one you want. That one factor is enough for me not to want to save that difference in price.Yeah but let's say KH310 vs 8351 both 3-way 8 inch
I like you brought that up. Alas, the model is not only flawed but plain wrong ( I actually looked it up). Think of market saturation. The price wouldn't get lower than to a certain point which is determined by the cost of production. Likewise for the price not going beyond a certain point determined by the other needs of a potentional customer which ask for payment also. Supply and demand are *not* a pair of terms that allow such a simple model to work.
Yep this is far from a Veblen good. That’s Rolex and those other brands that charge $1000+ for about $5 of coated canvas made by Chinese laborers.I like you brought that up. Alas, the model is not only flawed but plain wrong ( I actually looked it up). Think of market saturation. The price wouldn't get lower than to a certain point which is determined by the cost of production. Likewise for the price not going beyond a certain point determined by the other needs of a potentional customer which ask for payment also. Supply and demand are *not* a pair of terms that allow such a simple model to work.
In answering the question, a simple marketing ploy. One can sell 100 with a smaller profit "X" per item, because it is cheap for the individual customer. You can sell 10 items with a bigger profit "Y" per item, because the customers won't pay the lifted price too often. In the first case the profit is 100 times X, in the second profit is 10 times Y. One would yield the same profit if in the second case the price is like 9 times higher than in the first case.
That is how "high-end" works. It is not that the quality is so high that only few would actually value it. It is only so that the "high-end" customer doesn't cross check with his needs and is fooled. Simple, period.
The benefit for the OEM is not an extreme profit, it is the lower risk with financing fewer product with lower risk of loosing the investment. That's why they can afford to offer nearly every b/s. It might go to the bin, but if the market reacts positively, helluva!
Another simple all-day example is the pricing of speciality cologne / perfume.
Is Genelec on such tracks when selling the "One"? For sure not.
Thing is, for me personally, the Genelecs are a real, well calculated product. It allows with quite assessable revenue on a mainly professionalized market to plan for keeping the company afloat and spare some extra for innovation research. To put it a bit pathetical, it isn't fully evolved capitalism, but humans at work. I think the Scandinavians take some pride in this. But behold, there are more modern Scandinavians around also ...w
Yep this is far from a Veblen good. That’s Rolex and those other brands that charge $1000+ for about $5 of coated canvas made by Chinese laborers.
You mean IKEA? Haha. Yeah I think it’s not an easy game really. It’s a gamble with every product development.Thing is, for me personally, the Genelecs are a real, well calculated product. It allows with quite assessable revenue on a mainly professionalized market to plan for keeping the company afloat and spare some extra for innovation research. To put it a bit pathetical, it isn't fully evolved capitalism, but humans at work. I think the Scandinavians take some pride in this. But behold, there are more modern Scandinavians around also ...
Danish ... ... anyway, I bought KEF R3s lately for discount due to the newer model. I was so excited by the excellent engineering, that appeared to me as really honest. Blown by experiencing some serious respect by the manufacturer. That's something that isn't a regular thing today.You mean IKEA? Haha.
Yeah KEF is true class act when it comes to service. The service I received from them was incredible. I cannot say enough good things about them.Danish ... ... anyway, I bought KEF R3s lately for discount due to the newer model. I was so excited by the excellent engineering, that appeared to me as really honest. Blown by experiencing some serious respect by the manufacturer. That's something that isn't a regular thing today.
I wouldn't pay the 4k for a pair of genelecs, though. I don't think stereo as such is worth it, that simple. The affordable price depends on the need and what I'm going to do with the product. For me it's just entertainment, and for this purpose there are always creative alternatives ;-)
It depends on which economic class you are in, whether the price is serious money or mere pocket change.Genelec "ones" appear to sell pretty well. Already almost 250 years ago, Adam Smith explained why that means that they are not overpriced.
Depends more on your reputation and how much tracking, mixing, mastering business you get.It depends on which economic class you are in, whether the price is serious money or mere pocket change.
My reference was to buyers of the speaker who do not make a living in audio using it.Depends more on your reputation and how much tracking, mixing, mastering business you get.
Very very few people would consider $75k to be pocket change. I mean yeah we hear stories about billionaires all day these days.My reference was to buyers of the speaker who do not make a living in audio.
$75K for those speakers? Wow!Very very few people would consider $75k to be pocket change. I mean yeah we hear stories about billionaires all day these days.
It started around 2002 with the whole celebrity chef thing. Then we got celebrity “mixologists” and celebrity whatevers.
Then we got celebrity billionaires with new media writing about the opinions of Bill Gates as if anyone cares what he thinks about anything other than MSDOS because he got lucky that IBM licensed it rather than buying it. Suddenly this guy is an “authority” on everything.
Then Elon and Bezos and all those clowns.
They get so much press these days we think billionaires are common.
I doubt we have any because those kinds of people have better things to do than to post here.
I’m sure we have some very high net worth individuals here but not on the level that $75k is pocket change. Because I suspect most people here actually earned their money. If you didn’t then why bother?
Just buy everything and have staff set up and listen to it and prep it for you.
Most of us here work for and earn our money which is why we care so much. Many of us save up to get the level of audio quality we want.
It’s more likely that most of us see it as a crap ton of money but that we are passionate about it enough to work our behinds off to obtain it.
I remember back around 1999 I went to a dealer (I was broke) and auditioned this mark levinson plus (honestly can’t even remember which speakers) system that ran about $130k.$75K for those speakers? Wow!
I had KH310 for two years and now I'm working on 8351s and I would say Genelecs are fairly priced, but they may seem expensive just because KH310s are priced too low. When looking for high end compact 3-way active studio monitors people usually choose from 8351, KH310 and ATC SCM25, all of these are very good and play in the same league with different design choices and emphasis on different aspects of the sound reproduction, but the price wise they look funky: 2,2k€ per piece of KH310, 4k€ for Genelec and 5k€ for ATC. Clearly Neumanns are underpriced even after the recent price hikeYeah but let's say KH310 vs 8351 both 3-way 8 inch