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Hey the measurements are right here. What's the argument. I should do room measurements?I've traveled a "two-way" road in audio since my first "hi-fi" system my dad helped me put together in 1958. Of course, at my age, even the best track record of audiophile experience will not overcome age-related HF hearing loss, and my upper limit is now about 8KHz - but I can still hear when a tweeter goes out. However, the "sparkle" and "air" that comes from high frequencies (HF harmonics) is absent in my perception of music, and I would be far less likely to hear differences that are obvious to you, if you are younger and with good hearing. Like younger music lovers who have hearing loss for various reasons, my interest in such audio differences is much more academic than practical.
I've jumped on and off of the objective/subjective audio train for decades, but always judged the sound of my components and systems subjectively. The advancement of audio science in recent decades simply tells me interesting things about what I was preferring at various stages of my audio enthusiast life. (I have a life-long interest - and a university degree in science. I worked in science - on the technician/support side, and in sales and support of scientific software - for many years.)
My "beliefs" are that many supposedly audible "differences" not confirmed by blind testing and/or measurements may not be real. Decades of audio engineering and acoustic science supports that view. Please explain why you think that is a not a valid position.
Wow! That is a classic strawman argument. I have never said that, nor do I "believe it to be true".
However, I am very interested in the correlation of measurements with subjective impressions. And I am also aware of the interactions of amplifiers, speakers and rooms. But please be aware that Amir rarely if ever posts subjective opinions without caveats and comparisons to measurements. One of the most important aspects of this forum website for me is the opportunity to learn about correlations of perceived audio qualities with measurements under the scrutiny of an international cast of audiophiles, audio engineers, and industry professionals.
Your dismissal of the suggestion to measure your perceived differences with a program like REW or an equivalent (a layman's simplified version of science - the basis of this website) tells me that you are not really interested in the science side of audio, but yet post at an audio science website.
Your "unscientific" subjective opinions may have merit, but without measurements, their validity has not been confirmed.
I just posted some subjective opinion related to an above measurement. I don't need to prove I don't like it. What will a measurement do? If its the same as Amir then I don't like a speaker with this measurement. If it's different due to the room or proves I don't like that. What's the extra benefit?I've traveled a "two-way" road in audio since my first "hi-fi" system my dad helped me put together in 1958. Of course, at my age, even the best track record of audiophile experience will not overcome age-related HF hearing loss, and my upper limit is now about 8KHz - but I can still hear when a tweeter goes out. However, the "sparkle" and "air" that comes from high frequencies (HF harmonics) is absent in my perception of music, and I would be far less likely to hear differences that are obvious to you, if you are younger and with good hearing. Like younger music lovers who have hearing loss for various reasons, my interest in such audio differences is much more academic than practical.
I've jumped on and off of the objective/subjective audio train for decades, but always judged the sound of my components and systems subjectively. The advancement of audio science in recent decades simply tells me interesting things about what I was preferring at various stages of my audio enthusiast life. (I have a life-long interest - and a university degree in science. I worked in science - on the technician/support side, and in sales and support of scientific software - for many years.)
My "beliefs" are that many supposedly audible "differences" not confirmed by blind testing and/or measurements may not be real. Decades of audio engineering and acoustic science supports that view. Please explain why you think that is a not a valid position.
Wow! That is a classic strawman argument. I have never said that, nor do I "believe it to be true".
However, I am very interested in the correlation of measurements with subjective impressions. And I am also aware of the interactions of amplifiers, speakers and rooms. But please be aware that Amir rarely if ever posts subjective opinions without caveats and comparisons to measurements. One of the most important aspects of this forum website for me is the opportunity to learn about correlations of perceived audio qualities with measurements under the scrutiny of an international cast of audiophiles, audio engineers, and industry professionals.
Your dismissal of the suggestion to measure your perceived differences with a program like REW or an equivalent (a layman's simplified version of science - the basis of this website) tells me that you are not really interested in the science side of audio, but yet post at an audio science website.
Your "unscientific" subjective opinions may have merit, but without measurements, their validity has not been confirmed.