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Which deal would you take of these very good ones?qa 3030i/3050i, wharfedale 12.2/12.3/12.4,Denton 85th,Elac dbr62

Which is better sound for the money? (18m2 room, rock, pop, classical, soundtracks,movies)

  • Q Acoustics 3030i 294€ +196€ stands 490€

    Votes: 1 2.9%
  • Q Acoustics 3050i 549€

    Votes: 11 31.4%
  • Wharfedale Diamond 12.2 303€+150€ stands 450€

    Votes: 3 8.6%
  • Wharfedale Diamond 12.3 547€

    Votes: 2 5.7%
  • Wharfedale Diamond 12.4 588€

    Votes: 3 8.6%
  • Wharfedale Denton 85th 449€+150€ stands

    Votes: 5 14.3%
  • Elac dbr62 500€+150€ stands

    Votes: 13 37.1%

  • Total voters
    35
I find it interesting that you consider floorstanding speakers per se as a better option than bookshelves. May I ask why?
I'm not trying to be sarcastic or anything of the sort, it's a genuine question.
So first of all, your statement is not true. You are simply interpreting something.
For example, listen to an EPOS ES14N or a Celestion SL700 on a good stand, and the air becomes thin for the floorstanding speakers discussed.
But in this price range, floorstanding speakers make more sense to me if the room size allows it and the use is more universal.

This impression was also confirmed for me when we compared Heco Aurora 300/700, Elac Carina FS 247.4/243.4 and ELAC Debut Reference 6.2 in a 20sqm room with several people in the spring. All of them were damn good for this price range, but the two floor models of course had significantly more energy in the lower range.
None of these speakers stand a chance against a high-quality compact speaker, such as the Satorique S1, but we're talking about € 2100,- material costs including housing parts for a pair of diy speakers.
 
You can't really lose, these are all fine for the price. I'm partial to Wharfedales and don't like Q's that much but all these speakers have pretty much the same quality. It's a preference thing mostly here.
 
I find it interesting that you consider floorstanding speakers per se as a better option than bookshelves. May I ask why?
I'm not trying to be sarcastic or anything of the sort, it's a genuine question.
If space allows, I see no advantage in a bookshelf speaker. Standing shelves or towers take up the same space, but towers are more stable, can play louder with less distortion, and reproduce lower frequencies with authority.
I would never consider a bookshelf in place of tower speakers if space allows.
The towers also work quite well even without subs, the shelves much less so, but if you want to add a sub you can use the towers with a high pass filter and have an even cleaner and more powerful sound.
 
So first of all, your statement is not true. You are simply interpreting something.
For example, listen to an EPOS ES14N or a Celestion SL700 on a good stand, and the air becomes thin for the floorstanding speakers discussed.
But in this price range, floorstanding speakers make more sense to me if the room size allows it and the use is more universal.

This impression was also confirmed for me when we compared Heco Aurora 300/700, Elac Carina FS 247.4/243.4 and ELAC Debut Reference 6.2 in a 20sqm room with several people in the spring. All of them were damn good for this price range, but the two floor models of course had significantly more energy in the lower range.
None of these speakers stand a chance against a high-quality compact speaker, such as the Satorique S1, but we're talking about € 2100,- material costs including housing parts for a pair of diy speakers.
"So first of all, your statement is not true. You are simply interpreting something."

Just a misunderstanding on my side.
Bitte sei nicht so arg Deutsch.
 
The Denton is not in the same class as the Q Acoustics or Elac.
 
The Denton is not in the same class as the Q Acoustics or Elac.
You mean sound, quality build, style...all? I am also kind of seducted by those...but haven't seen objective measurements for dentons 85th nor I have listened to them...plus despite the great discount, with international shipping plus stands they would easily go above 600. My doubt is those very discounted 550€ floorstander such as qa 3050i or wharfedale diamond 12.3/4 would pretty much do a similar job or better in some aspects (i havent and cannot listen to them either, nor available in shops in my city)

Thanks
 
You mean sound, quality build, style...all? I am also kind of seducted by those...but haven't seen objective measurements for dentons 85th nor I have listened to them...plus despite the great discount, with international shipping plus stands they would easily go above 600. My doubt is those very discounted 550€ floorstander such as qa 3050i or wharfedale diamond 12.3/4 would pretty much do a similar job or better in some aspects (i havent and cannot listen to them either, nor available in shops in my city)

Thanks
Look some of these speakers up at Spinorama.org. The higher the tonality score, the better. Differences of .5 may be ignored.
 
In Romania I bought new Elac DBR62 for 366 Euros (transport included):cool:.
 
You mean sound, quality build, style...all? I am also kind of seducted by those...but haven't seen objective measurements for dentons 85th nor I have listened to them...plus despite the great discount, with international shipping plus stands they would easily go above 600. My doubt is those very discounted 550€ floorstander such as qa 3050i or wharfedale diamond 12.3/4 would pretty much do a similar job or better in some aspects (i havent and cannot listen to them either, nor available in shops in my city)

Thanks
The Wharfedale Linton are on offer again at Euronics today for €749/pair.
Wharfedale Linton /Pair

You can build wooden stands yourself easily and cheaply (€50-70).
I would prefer the old monitor floor stands from before, where the speakers are tilted slightly backwards. You can get it used for around 50 or less.
 
The Wharfedale Linton are on offer again at Euronics today for €749/pair.
Wharfedale Linton /Pair

You can build wooden stands yourself easily and cheaply (€50-70).
I would prefer the old monitor floor stands from before, where the speakers are tilted slightly backwards. You can get it used for around 50 or less.
Yeah, thanks. I am monitoring that page, Dentons now 479 ,last weeked 449. Dentoms are in the title and survey of this thread. I could not see measurements nor listen myself... the offer in german shop living in Spain turns complicated because i need a service like maiboxde.com to use a german adress and thet the package forwarded to Spain. Customer service, return policy and so on become complicated...
Remember the thread started because I am on budget around 400-600 for the speakers plus stands if not floorstanders. Linton+stands+shipping even if on sale are well above that pricemark unfortunately.
 
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