I don't know man, you sound just like your mother.Sounds very subjective to me
It definitely is, once you notice the underlined parts. They specify that we are using the "sound" word relatively to human beings. Thanks for supporting my point.Sounds very subjective to me
It definitely isn't meaningful. I have asked people to just stop debating the obvious, but they won't, so...I don't thing this debate is so meaningful this long.
Long story short: If you can't hear it, what difference does it make?
YES ! ABSOLUTELY ! It sounds OBJECTIVELY BETTER, but SUBJECTIVELY THE SAME to most/all human beings.
Maybe only a few people can hear the difference. And maybe nobody can, that's OK too. And maybe future generations of humans will be able to hear the difference (because, evolution). The only thing that matters is that the difference exists and can currently be measured.
We shouldn't limit the use of expressions like "sounds better" only to what some people can or can not hear. That's not a proper way to use words. However if we say "sounds the same to me" or even "sounds the same to everybody" that's perfectly OK, because then we are properly linking the expression to what people can or can not hear.
All L30 modes may "sound the same to everybody", but the 0 dB mode objectively "sounds better", and maybe someday someone will be able to hear the difference. The reality is that it "sounds better". The other reality is that we may not be able to hear it currently.
First of all, a cable is a passive element, it doesn't produce anything.So would you also say that ALL interlink cables sound different ?
That will vindicate all cable believers.
We're talking of an audio device intended to play back music. You're attempting to win an argument with data that does not apply to the subject at hand. If you can't hear it, it doesn't make any difference. If DBTs of of low quality lossy audio reveal that people really can't hear the difference, then there isn't a difference. People come up with all sorts of stupid excuses to explain to themselves why the music doesn't sound as good as they want it to. Here's a clue, states of mind and mood have a far greater impact on quality of sound than the quality of the gear or of the recording.We can't see atoms. What difference does it make ? A lot actually.
The fact is, our eyes and ears are limited and there are lots of things we can't see or hear. But we can definitely feel their effects. Because differences like the one I was talking about previously do exist in the physical world. That's all I've been saying all along.
- We can't hear ultrasounds, and yet a focused ultrasound cannon could blow your ears without you actually hearing it.
- Did you know that low quality lossy audio can accound for auditive fatigue in the long run, even though you can barely hear the difference ?
YES ! ABSOLUTELY ! It sounds OBJECTIVELY BETTER, but SUBJECTIVELY THE SAME to most/all human beings.
I just gave examples in different domains so that people could better understand what I'm talking about. They were just that : examples. And yet they're absolutely relevant in my opinion. You're not forced to like them. And I'm not trying to win an argument : the argument was won from my very first message stating the obvious. Since then I've been merely explaining why I won it. Sorry if that seems pretentious. It's not. Physical facts just happen to be on my side this time, sorry about that. Let's move on whenever possible.We're talking of an audio device intended to play back music. You're attempting to win an argument with data that does not apply to the subject at hand. If you can't hear it, it doesn't make any difference. If DBTs of of low quality lossy audio reveal that people really can't hear the difference, then there isn't a difference. People come up with all sorts of stupid excuses to explain to themselves why the music doesn't sound as good as they want it to. Here's a clue, states of mind and mood have a far greater impact on quality of sound than the quality of the gear or of the recording.
What part of (gracefully) moving on did you not understand Jose? Dear lord. Protip, if something seems pretentious it probably is.And I'm not trying to win an argument : the argument was won from my very first message stating the obvious. Since then I've been merely explaining why I won it. Sorry if that seems pretentious. It's not. Physical facts just happen to be on my side this time, sorry about that. Let's move on whenever possible.