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The Case Against OLED

If you used a REAL wired phone you won't have all those quality problems. :facepalm:
I'll never give up having my land-line to use when I'm home.

There's something seriously wrong with this younger generation. :rolleyes:


I had a land-line about 15 years ago. Not sure if I really ever used it. Even my parents (in their 60s) stopped using their landline a couple years ago.
 
I think my point got lost - newer generations are able to express most of it with emoji, and that is how they apparently think.
And then you have people like me, that look at half the available emojis and just go "doesn't compute, no clue what it's supposed to mean".
If you used a REAL wired phone you won't have all those quality problems. :facepalm:
Yeah back in the day analog telephones had a much better speech quality than the modern VOIP stuff. Not because VOIP can't sound good (programs like Skype, Discord etc sound perfectly fine) but because providers nuke the audio bitrate into oblivion. Added downside: the moment your internet goes down, so does your phone (IIRC, 911 calls are excluded from that but I am unsure).

Alas, analog telephones are no longer a thing in Germany. At least not for normal end-users. Support got axed provider side a few years back.
 
I've now had a cell only for longer than I had a landline. There was an overlap period I had both as well as some early years when I had neither. I don't miss the land line.
 
I think my point got lost - newer generations are able to express most of it with emoji, and that is how they apparently think. If there is no emoji for it than I guess, the option is to chose the closest one to it. I guess still better than digital like or not, but sad cry from what analog nuances of communication once were.
Then we need a more emoji's on this forum! This one is overused:
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Then we need a more emoji's on this forum! This one is overused:
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Agreed, but you have to talk to the boss about that.
@amirm hates emoji LOL
 
Yeah back in the day analog telephones had a much better speech quality than the modern VOIP stuff. Not because VOIP can't sound good (programs like Skype, Discord etc sound perfectly fine) but because providers nuke the audio bitrate into oblivion. Added downside: the moment your internet goes down, so does your phone (IIRC, 911 calls are excluded from that but I am unsure).
That's a big 10-4 there good buddy.
But even a VOIP landline is usually miles ahead of the sound quality that comes with cell to cell service.
No idea why since the phones can do 24/64 or better in playback?
But cell to cell SQ is horrid with the "bad quality low passed voice or a with really annoying delay that @Tell mentioned.
Not to mention the constant dropped connections.
No wonder many here love text, the SQ and reliability of cell to cell service drives me up a wall.
 
Voice male is useless in loud environments, because they can't hear the message. I work with and know people who have disabled voicemail!
In the loud environments I get in, not even the vibration feature can alert me, as everything is doing that already. The point is that, when (possibly even that day) I get around to checking the phone, I'll know what someone called me about and weather or not I missed something important. I probably spend at least 1/4 of my time outside of cell phone signal range anyway. If you don't leave me a voicemail or text, I'll never know that you tried to contact me, therefore I will never respond.
In most case's, it doesn't matter to me, anyway. Those that need to know, know when & how to get in touch with me.
 
I've now had a cell only for longer than I had a landline. There was an overlap period I had both as well as some early years when I had neither. I don't miss the land line.
My land line worked very well during 223 MPH gust winds. I would trade the cell phone for the landline in a nanosecond. Mine had an answer machine since 1970 something. That is still all that I need.
 
If you used a REAL wired phone you won't have all those quality problems. :facepalm:
I'll never give up having my land-line to use when I'm home.

There's something seriously wrong with this younger generation. :rolleyes:
A REAL wired phones has a samplerate at 8khz which to me is a sever quality problem. :facepalm:
And saying there is something seriously wrong with me and my generation is quite rude and actually quite stupid, I mean it was your generations job to raise us, so what seriously wrong did YOU do? :rolleyes:
 
My land line worked very well during 223 MPH gust winds. I would trade the cell phone for the landline in a nanosecond. Mine had an answer machine since 1970 something. That is still all that I need.
There is more to life than needs.
 
If you used a REAL wired phone you won't have all those quality problems. :facepalm:
I'll never give up having my land-line to use when I'm home.

There's something seriously wrong with this younger generation. :rolleyes:
Your great grandfather said, "I don't get these phone things. People should get off their asses and walk over to anybody they want to talk to, or just write a letter. There's something seriously wrong with this younger generation." :)

Or maybe he was a modern man who used telegrams?
 
For me, the problem with cell phones as the only phone is that about 10% of the time my outgoing calls don’t go through.

If I dial 911, I want the call to go through with 99.999% reliability. I thankfully haven’t needed it often. But most recently it was when a drunk crazy was trying to break down my (glass) kitchen door using an oak bench that was on my porch.

The guy is still alive and my life was not ruined because the cops got there before the glass gave way. Had the call not gone through, he’d have made it through the glass and I’d have had to shoot him, because anybody trying to pound through a door with an oak bench at 3AM is probably not going to listen to reason.

We’ve only had to call for medical help a couple of times, but that’s also a use case for which flaky rural cell service just does not fulfill requirements.

Rick “pays a lot for that twisted-pair copper” Denney
 
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Your great grandfather said, "I don't get these phone things. People should get off their asses and walk over to anybody they want to talk to, or just write a letter. There's something seriously wrong with this younger generation." :)

Or maybe he was a modern man who used telegrams?
I guess that we were in between: Telex (worked for ships & planes).
 
If you used a REAL wired phone you won't have all those quality problems. :facepalm:
I'll never give up having my land-line to use when I'm home.

There's something seriously wrong with this younger generation. :rolleyes:
I would not call myself young, but I haven't had a landline in 20 years or so. I do communicate live a lot, but it's typically with video - that's what I do pretty much daily with my mother and sisters in Europe. I seldom use my smartphone as a "phone". but it definitely happens, especially when having more confidential convos at work "outside" the corporate MS Teams infrastructure. And I use both texting and FB messenger a lot for quick updates with friends.
 
That's a big 10-4 there good buddy.
But even a VOIP landline is usually miles ahead of the sound quality that comes with cell to cell service.
No idea why since the phones can do 24/64 or better in playback?
But cell to cell SQ is horrid with the "bad quality low passed voice or a with really annoying delay that @Tell mentioned.
Not to mention the constant dropped connections.
No wonder many here love text, the SQ and reliability of cell to cell service drives me up a wall.
Voice is typically 64kbps on cell phones, which actually should be just as good as old-fashioned analog lines (I think they operated between 300Hz and 4kHz). But telephony became completely digital in the mid 80s. Telephony switches went from analog to stuff like AT&T's 5ESS and other "Class 5" voice switches, which digitized voice. I think cell phone voice is mostly low quality because people have the ability to call from anywhere... their cars, walking on the street, from the gym, from restaurants...

Several providers offer HD voice service, too.
 
For me, the problem with cell phones as the only phone is that about 10% of the time my outgoing calls don’t go through.

If I dial 911, I want the call to go through with 99.999% reliability. I thankfully haven’t needed it often. But most recently it was when a drunk crazy was trying to break down my (glass) kitchen door using an oak bench that was on my porch.

The guy is still alive and my life was not ruined because the cops got there before the glass gave way. Had the call not gone through, he’d have made it through the glass and I’d have had to shoot him, because anybody trying to pound through a door with an oak bench at 3AM is probably not going to listen to reason.

We’ve only had to call for medical help a couple of times, but that’s also a use case for which flaky rural cell service just does not fulfill requirements.

Rick “pays a lot for that twisted-pair copper” Denney
Works both ways. If you are not in your home and need 911, that reliable landline is of no use. If you have a cell phone, at least more places and you need 911 you'll get it when there is no land line. A decade back I ran across a pair of vehicles on a rarely travelled back road that had a head on collision. A man in a truck was bleeding badly, and a lady was pinned inside the car. I was able to call for paramedics which got there in 15 minutes. I had slowed the bleeding and a coworker with me calmed the lady. No on else came along in that time. I don't think the man would have lived otherwise.
 
No idea why since the phones can do 24/64 or better in playback?
Phones can do sound quality just fine, esp. with headphones. Their mics are also not too shabby but as I said:
Providers clobber the bitrate down to ridiculous levels (lo and behold you get like 300MBits data transfer easily when downloading some random crap...) that is the main source of degradation.

As for latency: no clue, never had that problem, nor would I notice it, since I do not see the other person speaking.
 
As for latency: no clue, never had that problem, nor would I notice it, since I do not see the other person speaking.
Of course it depends on much delay there is, but the worse it is the more you kind of start interrupting each other in an awkward way when both start talking when they think the other one is quiet. If you have bluetooth headphones and talk through Facebook Messenger, Signal or whatever that delay can add up and me personally I notice it quite easily which is just another "barrier" for me to even call in the first place.
 
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Of course it depends on much delay there is, but the worse it is the more you kind of start interrupting each other in an awkward way when both start talking when they think the other one is quiet. If you have bluetooth headphones and talk through Facebook Messenger, Signal or whatever that delay can add up and me personally I notice it quite easily which is just another "barrier" for me to even call in the first place.
Never called using those applications, I always call directly and there latency is a non issue. As a German I am also not in the habit of doing cross continent calls, so geographical distance may play a part as well.
 
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