Then why bother being there with people that you don't want to associate with?
I don't.
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The Case Against OLED
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I don't.
You wouldn't consider that rude?
Same as inviting friends over for a social evening and then pasting your attention on a TV.
And I'm not talking about having them over for a game or movie nite together.
Exactly
This is mainly about tvs, but you might want to take a look at this long term torture test, OLED tech have drastically improved compared to what it once was.
How Long Should A TV Last? Our 100 TV Accelerated Longevity And Burn-In Test
We've decided to run 100 TVs through a grueling 2-year test, turning on and off eight times a day, for a total of 126 hours per week, with each TV at its brightest settings.
www.rtings.com
Longevity And Burn-In Investigation: 10-Month Results
It has been about ten months since we started our long-term accelerated longevity and burn-in test, and our 100+ TVs and monitors have cumulated over 500,000 hours of runtime.
www.rtings.com
Improved yea, but I sure wouldn't want my expensive Sony TV to look like this after only a couple years use.
For my type use I'll still pass on OLED's.
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You just say that because they used this one tuned to CNN permanently.Improved yea, but I sure wouldn't want my expensive Sony TV to look like this after only a couple years use.
For my type use I'll still pass on OLED's.
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So you have visible burn-in. As soon as you work with monochromatic content, e.g.: editing a texture in greyscale, you would notice it.I have a LG B7 from 2017 with quite many hours of Blender and other static Windows things, and also lots of movies and Youtube but still no visible burnin (except some on test colours like pure pink or whatever)
Ever heard of family obligations? While I usually shy away from attending social gatherings, on some occasions that is simply not an option.
No, why would I? The people are busy with themselves and hardly even notice that I am there. As a person I am not very interesting. 95% of the time I am just a quiet observer in social events.
If they have need of me, they only need to address me directly. It's not as if I am wearing cans or anything. Just doing some light reading. Think of me as a CPU that does it's own doodles until it receives an IRQ.
Yep, I do follow these tests for quite some time now. Also interesting to see LED models degrade. So far, given the working hours of my 6yr old TV, I seem to be darn lucky with it. Even a 50% grey test pic looks very good.
My SSD that I bought last year has 4280h logged. TV is almost always on when the computer is on. So my TV is nearing ~25000h of active time. Ofc I rarely run it at max brightness unless I play a game or watch a movie in HDR.
Guess it's better not to change ol' reliable. :'D
That's because they are running torture tests.
1) they have simulated 13,200 hrs of wear. The most extreme users watch 5 hrs of tv a day, that equates to ~7.25 years.
2) the entire time they are on they are at maximum brightness.
3) the entire time they are on they only display CNN.
Take a look here after just 6000 hrs a lot of the lcds had burn in and or other display related issues.
Take a look at the LG NANO90 2021, Samsung TU8000, Samsung QN900A 8k QLED, Samsung The Frame 2022.
Longevity And Burn-In Investigation: 10-Month Results
It has been about ten months since we started our long-term accelerated longevity and burn-in test, and our 100+ TVs and monitors have cumulated over 500,000 hours of runtime.
www.rtings.com
This is oled only burn in test, where they simulated 9064 hrs of wear.
Something you can see in their nice animations ("Uniformity Photos") is that static or repeted imagery at maximum brightness for long periods of time, is what causes burn in.
Real-Life OLED Burn-In Test On 6 TVs
There are concerns about OLED long-term performance due to the possibility of burn-in. We bought 6 LG OLED C7s to play real, non-altered content. It should give you a better idea of what to expect depending on what you watch on your TV.
www.rtings.com
Honestly if your use case is displaying the same image for long periods of time at high brightness, the best thing to do imo, is buy the cheapest display you can find that meets your minimum requirements. Regardless of tech they all have issues over time unless you baby them.
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You just say that because they used this one tuned to CNN permanently.
God Forbid. LOL
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No I only notice on very bright and saturated pink/reddish. When working with an IPS or VA on the other hand I constantly notice the bad black levels, dull colors and splotchy backlight. I'd pick an OLED every day over a backlit screen, and that even if it only lasts for a few years, it just looks so much better!
Things got a lot better.. even my 65“ LG oled from 2021 has zero burn in yet and we use the TV daily .. even with a MacBook or gaming consoles where some things are constantly in the same place. And from what I understand it got even less likely to get burn-in with current computer screens . There are even some YouTubers that tried to get burn-in and had the screen for months showing the same picture.
Nothing. I take the picture quality of a real Oled over the QD oled and QD LED stuff
My next computer monitor is going to be a OLED as well.
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The new Inkjet OLED technology is supposedly more sturdy.
TCL boasts about the 'image quality, power consumption, and lifespan' benefits of its latest inkjet-printed OLED displays
Firm aims to reduce the cost of producing OLED panels using an inkjet printing production method.
My choice for movies will always be OLED, but for computer I don't want to risk burn ins. Not sure I would want to game on an OLED TV either really
There are obviously things which the games could use to prevent burn in as well as TV stations, they could for instance move the logos around and also make them weaker
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Monitors are designed with PC usage and lots of static content in mind, so that's to be expected.
TV's really are not.
OLED monitors also do not get as bright as an OLED TV and these get nowhere nearly as bright as a good LED TV, which is important for good HDR performance.
Until micro LED comes along and (supposedly) can do it all, display technologies are still "pick your poison according to usage".
Amen. Much like audio the final result with TOTL gear depends more on the quality of the source than anything.
I find my 85" Samsung full array, mini QLED to deliver a stunning picture from the best HDR 4k sources.
Blacks are inky, enough brightness to look great even in a well lit room, color & resolution to die for.
The best picture quality I've ever viewed. I really could ask for little more.
I live alone and don't watch off axis so that's a complete non-issue.
My sole complaint is the anti reflection coating used but it only causes issues with very bright side lighting at a particular angle.
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After my cataract & intraocular lenses surgeries, all my screens were suddenly brighter and not parchment yellow!
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Aye, I've heard & read good things about Mini-LED screens. It'll be interesting to see if they advance the tech further and make it available for smaller screen sizes with the same amount of zones (that's the real kicker and why 85" is better than their 65" versions).
Want an inexpensive big screen for Christmas?
I got a email from Best Buy today and curiosity got the best of me.
100" LED's now under $2k
They even have a TLC for $1499 OMG
I got a email from Best Buy today and curiosity got the best of me.
100" LED's now under $2k
They even have a TLC for $1499 OMG
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Wow! Pretty good. When they have 120" for that price I'll probably bite. Then I could replace my projector.Want an inexpensive big screen for Christmas?
I got a email from Best Buy today and curiosity got the best of me.
100" LED's now under $2k
They even have a TLC for $1499 OMG
There is a 110 inch for $14,999 so just a matter of time.
PS I have read lots of horror stories about the reliability of the 90 inch plus screens however.
Exactly what are the better features for QLED? As i know a mainstream LG C serie OLED has better features than basically any QLED.
Btwetter QLEDS are paired with local dimming that have issues with blooming, the input lag is usually much worse than OLEDs, there are ssues with viewing angle (this one is actually a problem with bigger tv even if you stand in front of them), there are issues with backlight bleeding, banding artifacts.
Btwetter QLEDS are paired with local dimming that have issues with blooming, the input lag is usually much worse than OLEDs, there are ssues with viewing angle (this one is actually a problem with bigger tv even if you stand in front of them), there are issues with backlight bleeding, banding artifacts.
Really, I wasn't aware but then I haven't followed any forums, etc to know.
I can't see any reason for that except that they may be making very poor quality panels to hit low price points ??
I'd wouldn't expect much in the way of picture quality from an edge lit 100" screen like that TLC anywho, but I'd never consider buying one myself.
OTOH maybe for a basement family room where the kids watch TV and throw balls around it might be something to consider. LOL
How many years ago was it that the flat panels were first arriving with 6 digit price tags for 55" sets? LOL
Man how times have changed.
Brightness and viewability in bright rooms with HDR sources.
I was never impressed with the performance of OLED and HDR movies, specially ones with a lot of dark scenes.
OLED's big plus with blacks has now been equaled with QLED panels and maybe to be surpaseed by the new micro LEDs
And for me the #1 feature is the near immunity from burn-in, that's a big one for me.
For the last few years, when comparing the TOTL QLEDs to OLEDS, any difference in the overall picture quality was small enough
to push the pendulum to buying the QLED.
YMMV
We bought our 55” plasma display maybe 18 years ago, and paid under $2000 for it. So it’s been a while
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